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NutLoose 31st Dec 2022 13:17

A very subtle letter to Santa.

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FUMR 31st Dec 2022 13:45

We are definitely still not doing enough for Ukraine. I'm fed up with Putin targeting civilians. Enough is enough. It's time for western politicians to show some balls and give Ukraine what it needs to pulverize the Russian forces. And whatever the initial consequences we need to give Putin a clear message!

NutLoose 31st Dec 2022 14:01

Some of the not often seen types,

A knocked out Finish supplied Ukrainian Sisu XA-185 amphibious armoured personnel carrier.




A Canadian supplied Armoured Combat Support Vehicle (ACSV LAV) APC in Ukraine



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Winemaker 31st Dec 2022 16:16

From the Kyiv Independent...

Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov warned Russian citizens in a video address on Dec. 30 that Russia's leadership is preparing a new wave of mobilization and plans to close the border within a week.

"I know for a fact that you have about one week left before you still have any choice. In early January, the Russian authorities will close the borders to men, declare martial law, and begin another wave of mobilization. Borders will also be closed in Belarus," Reznikov said, speaking in Russian.

RHINO 31st Dec 2022 16:37

Whatever the Ukrainians are asking for in weapons and munitions we need to exceed this request. Russia is getting away with war crime after war crime. It is now or never.

Confusious 31st Dec 2022 16:39


Originally Posted by RHINO (Post 11357321)
Whatever the Ukrainians are asking for in weapons and munitions we need to exceed this request. Russia is getting away with war crime after war crime. It is now or never.

Well said Rhino. I'm not really a believer in new year brings new changes, BUT in this instance let's all hope that it does and quickly.

ORAC 31st Dec 2022 22:10

​​​​​​​Mutiple telegram channels report explosions in Moscow, St Petersburg, Briansk, Kursk and other russian cities. The information is not officially confirmed yet.

langleybaston 31st Dec 2022 23:13


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11357472)
Somebody suggests it could be false flag operations to drum up support for mobilization. I certainly wouldn't put it past Putin and his mob of gangsters. But hopefully it's not that, but the real beginning of the end for Putin.

Does it matter who is resposible for the alleged fireworks? Or who Russians believe to be resposible? Any set of bangs will increase the stampede to the exits.
My wish for New Year?

An end to hostilities that will satisfy Ukr, and will enable the Bear to join the civilised world in 50 years time.

meleagertoo 31st Dec 2022 23:41

There have been multiple explosions around here over the last hour and my pal says all over London too.
I wouldn't put much political score by them.
Move along now, nothing to see here...
"Rumours"
"Explosions"
"Propaganda"
"Phizzzzz..."
zzzzz

ehwatezedoing 31st Dec 2022 23:53


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11357457)
Mutiple telegram channels report explosions in Moscow, St Petersburg, Briansk, Kursk and other russian cities. The information is not officially confirmed yet.

Looool... Probably just New Year fireworks celebrations in Russia "interpreted" as explosions in major cities.

NutLoose 1st Jan 2023 00:40

Having had a few sherbert’s tonight to celebrate in the New Year, I bare a thought for those guys and gals standing watch in a frozen wasteland in Ukraine, under fire and constant shelling, while the rest of the world celebrates in the freedom they are fighting to protect FOR ALL OF US…

My hopes, wishes and prayers go out to you all to stay safe and warm and hope that 2023 will bring you the freedom and peace you so richly deserve, that your families will be reunited and will prosper in a free Ukraine as a member of the European Union and of NATO you so richly aim for and deserve.

Slava Ukraine.

El Grifo 1st Jan 2023 01:18

Get a lifeTio !
It's a Pig Circus.
El.

[email protected] 1st Jan 2023 09:58


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11357506)
Having had a few sherbert’s tonight to celebrate in the New Year, I bare a thought for those guys and gals standing watch in a frozen wasteland in Ukraine, under fire and constant shelling, while the rest of the world celebrates in the freedom they are fighting to protect FOR ALL OF US…

My hopes, wishes and prayers go out to you all to stay safe and warm and hope that 2023 will bring you the freedom and peace you so richly deserve, that your families will be reunited and will prosper in a free Ukraine as a member of the European Union and of NATO you so richly aim for and deserve.

Slava Ukraine.

Seconded Nutty:ok:

Timmy Tomkins 1st Jan 2023 10:08


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11357233)
We are definitely still not doing enough for Ukraine. I'm fed up with Putin targeting civilians. Enough is enough. It's time for western politicians to show some balls and give Ukraine what it needs to pulverize the Russian forces. And whatever the initial consequences we need to give Putin a clear message!

An expression of frustration expressed here before many times and sadly I see no sign of things changing. Too much self interest and short termism, which leads to hard won lessons from the past being either ignored or not recognised.
I agree 100% with you; sadly those in power do not.

FUMR 1st Jan 2023 10:14


Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing (Post 11357485)
Looool... Probably just New Year fireworks celebrations in Russia "interpreted" as explosions in major cities.

Indeed. It wasn't until the fireworks started where I am, 2 hours later than Moscow time, that I realised what it must have been. Pity though! :E

FUMR 1st Jan 2023 10:20


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11357506)
Having had a few sherbert’s tonight to celebrate in the New Year, I bare a thought for those guys and gals standing watch in a frozen wasteland in Ukraine, under fire and constant shelling, while the rest of the world celebrates in the freedom they are fighting to protect FOR ALL OF US…

My hopes, wishes and prayers go out to you all to stay safe and warm and hope that 2023 will bring you the freedom and peace you so richly deserve, that your families will be reunited and will prosper in a free Ukraine as a member of the European Union and of NATO you so richly aim for and deserve.

Slava Ukraine.

My sentiments too Nutty and I said as much to all I sent my New Year wishes too. I had no interest in celebrating this year!

El Grifo 1st Jan 2023 10:54

Thinking also of the poor Russian troops who are also suffering and dying at the sole behest of their mad leader !

All the best for '23 !

El Grifo

jolihokistix 1st Jan 2023 11:14

Goes with or without saying, but fully agreed.

Tens of thousands of the first flush were not actually ethnic 'Russians' but all of them were and their successors now are exposed to merciless crushing under the giant wheels of this hellish machine, which advances with some lofty Putinesque logic, the logic of savage, pre-modern, primeval war.

Spunky Monkey 1st Jan 2023 11:16


Originally Posted by El Grifo (Post 11357715)
Thinking also of the poor Russian troops who are also suffering and dying at the sole behest of their mad leader !

All the best for '23 !

El Grifo

Those poor Russian troops you mention, have had plenty of time to defect, surrender, cross the border, reject orders, desert, scarper.
They haven't.
They have continued this war because they are dumb, murderous self righteous bar-stewards who believe the manure they are being fed and Russia is the great empire under threat.

I personally hope to a man they are ploughed into the fields of Ukraine by the HIMARS, MLRS, AS90 and the APCs and Tanks the West now surely need to give.

Video Mixdown 1st Jan 2023 12:02


Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey (Post 11357728)
Those poor Russian troops you mention, have had plenty of time to defect, surrender, cross the border, reject orders, desert, scarper. They haven't. They have continued this war because they are dumb, murderous self righteous bar-stewards who believe the manure they are being fed and Russia is the great empire under threat. I personally hope to a man they are ploughed into the fields of Ukraine by the HIMARS, MLRS, AS90 and the APCs and Tanks the West now surely need to give.

I second that, and would make a special mention of the Wagner thugs - surely Putin's version of the SS.


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