Bleak Future for Kerch Coat Hanger
Originally Posted by Winemaker
(Post 11315663)
My read of the 'acting governor of Kherson's' statement is that the Russians plan to breach upstream dams and flood the area. So much for helping the recently annexed Russian citizens........ Looks like a scorched earth policy now; time for the Crimean bridge to take a tumble. With all the Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure maybe it's time to stop the Crimean water supply; the Ukrainians haven't been emulating their invaders but goose and gander.....
Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun
(Post 11315672)
Agreed, "we're relocating the population [whether they like it or not] and we're going to blow the dam so the Ukrainians can't have the city either".
Certainly looks like scorched earth now too. Is he working towards a withdrawal back to the border and a claim that Ukraine has been removed as a threat as the infra has all been destroyed?
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11315687)
Russia to implement Martial Law tomorrow?
Fall of Kherson perhaps forcing their hand… (from Kerch thread...)
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Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun
(Post 11315672)
Agreed, "we're relocating the population [whether they like it or not] and we're going to blow the dam so the Ukrainians can't have the city either".
Certainly looks like scorched earth now too. Is he working towards a withdrawal back to the border and a claim that Ukraine has been removed as a threat as the infra has all been destroyed? Glorious message for Russian home audience as they generously pull back to original borders. ”We warned them lovingly that this was going to hurt us more than it would hurt them, and we thrashed them good and hard. Let this be a lesson to them, and to other uppity autonomous states. And we’ll do it again if necessary!” |
Russia's Logic: A squeeze of lemmings?
We invaded Ukraine to protect Russian Speakers
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All in all, Vlad, you have had a busy few weeks, not many people have done the damage to Russia that Vlad has achieved, and most of it with the willing public cheering him on. A squeeze of lemmings? |
Through action, a Man becomes a Hero
Through death, a Hero becomes a Legend Through time, a Legend becomes a Myth And by learning from the Myth, a Man takes action How Ukraine's 'Ghost of Kyiv' legendary pilot was born - BBC News |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 11315723)
”We warned them lovingly that this was going to hurt us more than it would hurt them, and we thrashed them good and hard. Let this be a lesson to them, and to other uppity autonomous states. And we’ll do it again if necessary!”
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Originally Posted by T28B
(Post 11315645)
notasmodnoradmin
I am not sure if this was intended for drones, but if you have enough money you might be able to get one of these. It may not be ready in the near term, but it looks like what you are referring to. Here's a YT video about it... |
To counter the drones with 40kg non armour piercin warheads that use GPS i propose chicken wire fencing around energy infrastrucure targets. When i drove around GCHQ in Cheltenham i am sure my car GPS was not working there so gps and glonass can be jammed.. This seems more cost effective than using high tech and expensive ordinance to take them out?
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Sergey Elizarov, a councilman in the western Russian town of Tarusa, wrote to the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office about gross violations of the law by the local military registration and enlistment office during mobilisation.
They responded by mobilising him too. 🧵 below. |
Originally Posted by ChrisJ800
(Post 11315815)
When i drove around GCHQ in Cheltenham i am sure my car GPS was not working there so gps and glonass can be jammed..
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Superb piece by someone who knows KGB/FSB officers really well — and from there extrapolates convincingly about what will and what won’t deter Putin from going nuclear.
https://www.justsecurity.org/83605/a...r-that-he-was/ Addressing Putin’s Nuclear Threat: Thinking Like the Cold War KGB Officer That He Was |
Whilst dropping the dam is just the kind of insane action that might be attractive to the russians ( and they have history from WW2 of blowing Dnipr dams) , if you look at a topography map the left bank of the Dnipr is on average considerably lower elevation than the right. The flooding would be much worse south of the river as FDR alluded. The Khakova dam is perhaps currently holding back more water (18 cubic km) than the Hoover dam ( nominally 32 cubic km when Lake Mead is full, which it certainly is not in recent years).
Depressingly this makes the alternative reasons for urging evacuation of Kherson city more believable. Or they can go full crazy mode and nuke the dam for a doubly powerful statement. |
@Usertim. Irradiate the Crimean water supply, then?
Or Pootan’s Bluff? |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 11315916)
@Usertim. Irradiate the Crimean water supply, then?
Or Pootan’s Bluff? I think the canal is overstated in its importance, it is largely economic - 80% of the water was used for irrigation or industry. Russia may not care about that anymore. According to wiki (!) the area under cultivation in crimea declined by 90% between 2014 and 2017 ( those figures seem very high for such a short period though). |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11315842)
Superb piece by someone who knows KGB/FSB officers really well — and from there extrapolates convincingly about what will and what won’t deter Putin from going nuclear.
https://www.justsecurity.org/83605/a...r-that-he-was/ Addressing Putin’s Nuclear Threat: Thinking Like the Cold War KGB Officer That He Was The insanity of NBC is that there is no scenario that exists that it ends in a win for any side that initiates such an escalation. We have come perilously close on 2 occasions to ending life on this planet by our own hand, and right now, failing to show the resolve to remove Vlad's SS troopers from Ukraine by conventional force backed up by the ability to escalate further is a least risk location for our bomb of a situation. |
Originally Posted by Usertim
(Post 11315914)
Whilst dropping the dam is just the kind of insane action that might be attractive to the russians ( and they have history from WW2 of blowing Dnipr dams) , if you look at a topography map the left bank of the Dnipr is on average considerably lower elevation than the right. The flooding would be much worse south of the river as FDR alluded. The Khakova dam is perhaps currently holding back more water (18 cubic km) than the Hoover dam ( nominally 32 cubic km when Lake Mead is full, which it certainly is not in recent years).
Depressingly this makes the alternative reasons for urging evacuation of Kherson city more believable. Or they can go full crazy mode and nuke the dam for a doubly powerful statement. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c725a16a70.png https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e5bc9a6f3b.png
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 11315916)
@Usertim. Irradiate the Crimean water supply, then?
Or Pootan’s Bluff? Crimea has a special place in the Russian psyche, which is odd, as it really has little to do with them, but they apparently like the sandy beaches. Would have thought Sochi did that too.
Originally Posted by Usertim
(Post 11315923)
Well that is another sensible reason not to blow the dam, there would be no head of water for the canal. I doubt radiation would be an issue though after all that water washed through .
I think the canal is overstated in its importance, it is largely economic - 80% of the water was used for irrigation or industry. Russia may not care about that anymore. According to wiki (!) the area under cultivation in crimea declined by 90% between 2014 and 2017 ( those figures seem very high for such a short period though). Kind of neat, get named as a terrorist state and take out your own reason for any public support, which is the only thing between the circling sharks and Putin becoming a pavement pizza beside Lenin's tomb. |
As for Kherson, it still beggars belief that Ukraine never took the bridge out early in the war when the town was initially threatened.
The Ukrainian guide to taking down a drone with a personal weapon. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11315946)
As for Kherson, it still beggars belief that Ukraine never took the bridge out early in the war when the town was initially threatened.
The Ukrainian guide to taking down a drone with a personal weapon. https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/stat...12771125383168 here are representative ballistics for a 20 degree elevation for .223 55gr and 7.62x39... The Ukrainians guidance guarantees a miss. If they don't have tracer, they are mainly wasting ammo. A high deflection shot against a small target like that, is like clay pigeon shooting with a .22 instead of 12 Gauge. Heck, Ukraine could get some good ol' boys out of 'bama to go plinking if they give free ammo, and beer. Not many roadsigns survive first encounter with the boys with the "roll tide" crimson T shirt, a Ram 1500, and an AR-15. Seriously, get the economy pack magazines, tracer and enough beer n' guns, n' more beer, and set the guys out along the expected approach paths... get rid of the deflection hassles with a skirmish line of beer cans n' ammo. :ok: the boys'll need a hunting' license... when is drone season? https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bd1234e6fc.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d51d739cd.png |
The "evacuation" of civilians from Kherson has begun.
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Martial law introduced in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions
The Decree on the introduction of martial law in the new territories. It will be in effect from midnight - RIA What does this mean? You can read about it below, it includes the suspension of activities of political parties and other public and religious associations that "undermine defense and security" https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a16d07aea.jpeg |
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