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FUMR 27th Aug 2022 10:38

Is Putrid about to throw his last dice?

NutLoose 27th Aug 2022 11:41

More on the threat.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Russia%20helicopter&src=typed_query&f=live

https://endtimeheadlines.org/2022/08/russia-masses-more-than-400-planes-and-360-helicopters-on-border-with-ukraine/

ORAC 27th Aug 2022 11:57

“China calls on Putin to end Russian roulette at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine after disaster near-miss. When China is speaking up, you know it’s serious.”…
https://apple.news/AOXQg4sceQgWu4jnmiiv-EQ

Fitter2 27th Aug 2022 12:30


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
The MOD is utterly incompetent at (a) negotiating a contract and (b) managing a project development. From the other side of the fence, they are an almost bottomless money pit, but it makes at least some ex-RAF people in industry have guilty feelings for those serving, and for taxpayers.

Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Great! Please then tell us what the answer is if they can:

a) No longer initiate new programmes
b) no longer negotiate any programmes
Expatriate the whole she-bang to ..............................whom ?
1. Better contract negotiation by reversing the trend of industry stealing from the forces; poach contract negotiators who are versed in the ways of inserting the keys to the money pit when writing a contract.
2 Use the end users advice better when writing the specification, rather than having it hacked down to save money by the Treasury civil servant accountants.
3. Buy the best match to the spec, rather than politicise the buying decision.
4. Ruthless holding the manufacturer to fulfilling the contract and meeting the spec

The cost would be far lower than the billions wasted later.

That might be a start. Sorry for thread drift, but seeing the trickery and disregard for responsibility to the taxpayer on the one hand, and when looking back at doing the job with the tools at our disposal makes me a bit cross.

fdr 27th Aug 2022 14:24


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11286106)
“China calls on Putin to end Russian roulette at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine after disaster near-miss. When China is speaking up, you know it’s serious.”…
https://apple.news/AOXQg4sceQgWu4jnmiiv-EQ

China is downwind...

Beamr 27th Aug 2022 17:37

Ukraine MOD came out with a wish list of FJ's.
To play around with the idea the Gripen would be an interesting option for Ukraine: did well in latest tenders being the runner up (Finland, Canada), easy to maintain (advertised to require just two conscripts to turn around on a highway base) and already NATO compatible. Just a small hickup is the very low number made, who'd send their AC's on a short notice? Czech needs their to cover Slovakia due to Slovakia sending their mig29's to Ukraine. Hungary has only 12+2. South Africa has 17. So unless Czech gets their F35's very fast and Sweden sends their fleet it's a no go.


MPN11 27th Aug 2022 17:59


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11286190)
Ukraine MOD came out with a wish list of FJ's.
.

The end product of peacetime, pared down, forces. Will we all ever learn that Defence is not an option, but essential, and has to be properly and fully resourced against all possible adverse scenarios? Meanwhile, in the Treasury ...

uxb99 27th Aug 2022 18:13


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11286196)
The end product of peacetime, pared down, forces. Will we all ever learn that Defence is not an option, but essential, and has to be properly and fully resourced against all possible adverse scenarios? Meanwhile, in the Treasury ...

I've not heard of any countries upping production? Would it not be prudent to get some orders in now for more stuff. We must have exhausted quite a lot already.

NutLoose 27th Aug 2022 18:56


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11285972)
Does show the accuracy of modern weapons. I fear the next war will be focused on space. Knock out the GPS satellite systems.

It’s why the US is looking at celestial navigation as stars can’t be hacked or destroyed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...al-navigation/

https://www.gps.gov/governance/advis...8-12/laine.pdf

Knocking out GPS satellites however would effect both sides.

Big Pistons Forever 27th Aug 2022 19:22


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11286196)
The end product of peacetime, pared down, forces. Will we all ever learn that Defence is not an option, but essential, and has to be properly and fully resourced against all possible adverse scenarios?

Nope, we will never learn, because the kind of long term vision needed to invest in maintaining a viable military requires politicians who actually care enough to risk personal political capital to do the right thing…..

GlobalNav 27th Aug 2022 19:53


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11286222)
It’s why the US is looking at celestial navigation as stars can’t be hacked or destroyed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...al-navigation/

https://www.gps.gov/governance/advis...8-12/laine.pdf

Knocking out GPS satellites however would effect both sides.

Is this idea applicable only to aircraft or would the technology be integrated with warheads?

I note in the Draper slides that only lines of position from two different celestial bodies are required to determine position. But unless the relative azimuths are ideal (90 degrees) and error sources are zero or ignored, it’s been a better practice to have at least three LOPs from bodies roughly 120 degrees azimuth apart, in order to triangulate and minimize contributions of systematic error.

I don’t know the technology, but I suppose they have a way of observing stars even in daytime.

rattman 27th Aug 2022 19:56


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11286190)
Ukraine MOD came out with a wish list of FJ's.
To play around with the idea the Gripen would be an interesting option for Ukraine: did well in latest tenders being the runner up (Finland, Canada), easy to maintain (advertised to require just two conscripts to turn around on a highway base) and already NATO compatible. Just a small hickup is the very low number made, who'd send their AC's on a short notice? Czech needs their to cover Slovakia due to Slovakia sending their mig29's to Ukraine. Hungary has only 12+2. South Africa has 17. So unless Czech gets their F35's very fast and Sweden sends their fleet it's a no go.

South africa cant even afford to maintain their gripens. UK is looking to dispose of thier tranche 1 block 5 eurofighters. These dont have any air to ground capability except paveways, still great for actual airdefence so might be considered a non step to far

ORAC 27th Aug 2022 20:23

Satellite imagery confirms three MiG-31K/I (Kinzhal missile-equipped) have been deployed to the Kaliningrad Chkalovsk Air Base.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ce9fe10ed.jpeg

NutLoose 27th Aug 2022 20:48


Originally Posted by GlobalNav (Post 11286247)
Is this idea applicable only to aircraft or would the technology be integrated with warheads?

I note in the Draper slides that only lines of position from two different celestial bodies are required to determine position. But unless the relative azimuths are ideal (90 degrees) and error sources are zero or ignored, it’s been a better practice to have at least three LOPs from bodies roughly 120 degrees azimuth apart, in order to triangulate and minimize contributions of systematic error.

I don’t know the technology, but I suppose they have a way of observing stars even in daytime.

I read somewhere they could see through clouds and in daylight… IR? With everything I imagine it will work down to weapons.

ROC man 27th Aug 2022 20:52


Originally Posted by GlobalNav (Post 11286247)
Is this idea applicable only to aircraft or would the technology be integrated with warheads?

I note in the Draper slides that only lines of position from two different celestial bodies are required to determine position. But unless the relative azimuths are ideal (90 degrees) and error sources are zero or ignored, it’s been a better practice to have at least three LOPs from bodies roughly 120 degrees azimuth apart, in order to triangulate and minimize contributions of systematic error.

I don’t know the technology, but I suppose they have a way of observing stars even in daytime.

The SR-71 had astro inertial navigation so this doesnt sound like anything new (R2D2). I guess they hope miniturise and improve accuracy for weapon purposes

MAINJAFAD 27th Aug 2022 21:15


Originally Posted by GlobalNav (Post 11286247)
Is this idea applicable only to aircraft or would the technology be integrated with warheads?

I note in the Draper slides that only lines of position from two different celestial bodies are required to determine position. But unless the relative azimuths are ideal (90 degrees) and error sources are zero or ignored, it’s been a better practice to have at least three LOPs from bodies roughly 120 degrees azimuth apart, in order to triangulate and minimize contributions of systematic error.

I don’t know the technology, but I suppose they have a way of observing stars even in daytime.

Auto astro tracking navigation systems have been used on weapons systems since the late 1950's. SM-62 Snark cruise missile for sure, Skybolt was going to use it and I'm pretty sure that Trident D5 uses it as well.

NutLoose 27th Aug 2022 21:40

Sweet


fdr 28th Aug 2022 00:54


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11286274)
I read somewhere they could see through clouds and in daylight… IR? With everything I imagine it will work down to weapons.

At various wavelengths there is negligible attenuation of a signal from CO2, H2O etc.... Another benefit of a celestial auto-tracker is that apart from position to high accuracy. it could give a complete stable platform output, 3D attitude without any gyros, 3D velocity vectors, and absolute position without interference and with tolerance to jamming.

Separately, the Russian's seem to be only interested in their domestic consumers of propaganda now, or they are heading towards a national bi-polar personality disorder... the dissonance with reality is painful to watch.



I would recommend an extended course of Haldol or similar for the occupants of the Kremlin to assist their return to reality.

Side effects may include
  • Weight gain;
  • Sexual problems;
  • Drowsiness;
  • Dizzyness;
  • Restlessness;
  • Dry mouth;
  • Constipation;
  • Nausea;
  • Blurred vision;
  • Low blood pressure;
  • Seizures;
  • low WBC
Don't mix antipsychotics with Vodka.

ORAC 28th Aug 2022 06:31

In the past few months, we and other analyst have watched the formation and training of Russia's 3rd Army Corps, first publicly reported by Ukrainian intelligence back in June. Now it is being deployed to the Ukrainian border.

Photo and video evidence shows trains with a Buk air defense system and T-80BV and T-90M tanks. Per Russian Railways database, they are heading deployed from Mulino, 3rd AC's training base, to the Ukrainian border close to Taganrog, Rostov region…..

It is currently unknown where the 3rd AC will deploy, but the frontlines closest to the destination of the trains (Neklinovka station in southern Rostov region) are Donetsk and Zaporizhia region.….


ORAC 28th Aug 2022 06:36

A significant reduction took place with elements of the Northern Fleet leaving the Mediterranean following a deployment that started on Feb-11.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ebe64fa7f.jpeg


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