Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11336688)
Already on the way tank wise according to this, though I cannot fathom what the heck the navy have to do with it.. pun intended ;)
https://worldnewsera.com/news/uk/roy...-x-ray-vision/ Another thought re the substations, stack freight containers around them to form a wall. |
Thinking back to Iraq, wasn't one of the major targets during the first phase of Desert Storm civilian infrastructure, including power generation and sub-stations?
I remember the crew room TV showing those initial "shock and awe" attacks and I'm sure a fair number of the non-military targets were power distribution. Long time ago now, though, and we were very busy at the time (on trials unconnected with that operation) so I was just diving in for a coffee before heading back out to the range. For some reason I have a vivid memory from that time that is almost a series of still photos of that part of the GW1. |
IIRC ffrom my AFOPS posture, a lot of the targets were Mil comms and supporting (power) infrastructure. A subtle difference to RF attacks on … pure civil power.
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Originally Posted by MPN11
(Post 11336708)
IIRC from my AFOPS posture, a lot of the targets were Mil Comms and supporting (power) infrastructure. A subtle difference to RF attacks on … pure civil power.
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Originally Posted by cynicalint
(Post 11336714)
`Yes, Civil power is an illegal target UNLESS there is a definite and concrete military advantage to attacking it.
Wasn't this the case in GW1? I believe (but stand to be corrected) that a fair bit of Iraq's C2 was located in, or very near, civilian infrastructure, and was using civilian power, so became a legitimate target. Not so sure about the TV and radio transmission towers that were taken out, but doing that has been a feature of war since WWII. |
Originally Posted by Old_Slartibartfast
(Post 11336716)
Wasn't this the case in GW1? I believe (but stand to be corrected) that a fair bit of Iraq's C2 was located in, or very near, civilian infrastructure, and was using civilian power, so became a legitimate target. Not so sure about the TV and radio transmission towers that were taken out, but doing that has been a feature of war since WWII.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11336648)
Its bizarre because almost every country on Earth would be vulnerable to such attacks. Its like no military planner ever considered that their power grid would be make such an obvious target.
I'd wager this has set in motion lots of 'studies' here in the west. |
We have just given Sea Kings to Ukraine. How long before the west has run out of old kit and has to start donating new stuff? Or does the west have a plentiful supply of military tat (for wont of a better phrase).
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Originally Posted by uxb99
(Post 11336731)
While I agree, you are forgetting that most countries would have the ability to strike back with similar or greater effect.
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Mk4 or SAR SeaKings are hardly 'tat' in a context that requires troop mobilty, forward supply or casevac. They may be old tech but they're reliable and capable in their role, hardly different from the comparable Mil8 etc both sides are already using.
Just a few more. Surely we have a couple of squadrons of Junglies in mothball at Colerne or wherever? They served us well for decades - and how? - but can't we dig them out now for a final blaze of glory? |
Originally Posted by Old_Slartibartfast
(Post 11336694)
Thinking back to Iraq, wasn't one of the major targets during the first phase of Desert Storm civilian infrastructure, including power generation and sub-stations?
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Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements
(Post 11336753)
Wasn't one of the objectives in WWII the Mohne Dam?
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Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements
(Post 11336753)
Wasn't one of the objectives in WWII the Mohne Dam?
Good point, but it was pretty contentious, I believe. Mind you the Nazi's bombed the civilian populations of the UK, and we did the same in Germany. My uncle was a bomb aimer in the second wave over Dresden. He never recovered from seeing that firestorm. He was invalided out of the RAF because he was mentally unfit to fly after that. For some reason the psychological impact of that raid stopped him from being able to write, as well as giving him a speech impediment. He spent the last 15 years of his life shut in his bedroom, with the curtains drawn, unable to cope with the outside world. |
In this case there is little or no ambiguity. Just at the onset of winter, these attacks are direct and satisfying punishment on the civilian population. With luck there may be a military spin-off too, but that is secondary for the Russian command and fan base.
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Substations supporting RF logistics are a legitimate military target, but can AFU target them? Permission from its suppliers and capability are the questions.
Transmission corridors may be an easier target. In GWII and possibly GWI, missiles draped conductors across the power lines tripping breakers. The line is u/s until it's cleaned up. As long as conductors are being draped frequently, the line crews can't keep up. |
Originally Posted by uxb99
(Post 11336732)
We have just given Sea Kings to Ukraine. How long before the west has run out of old kit and has to start donating new stuff? Or does the west have a plentiful supply of military tat (for wont of a better phrase).
If one thing has come out from this war that I think the U.K. needs to address, it is our reserves, we are renowned for retiring capable kit early as cost saving measures, Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier, some of the Stormers, Scorpions , Challengers etc and flogging them off with next to no use on them life wise. Gone are the days of putting them in storage as war stocks as was done with the likes of the WW2 Green Godess fire engines that used to get dragged out during strikes. Germany appears to be able to provide NATO Countries with Leopards, Ukraine with Gepards. The US to provide Countries with M113, Humvees, and Abrams tanks from their war reserve stocks. While the U.K. In reality appears to have sold off ours for a quick buck. That needs to change, because heaven forbid if we ever go to war again in Europe as we will be found lacking, yes you can build new tanks, but refurbishing / regenerating held stock would be a damned sight quicker than starting from scratch and Ukraine Is showing the world what they can do regenerating captured and damaged vehicles and putting them back on the frontline. Something we need to learn from. examples of what I mean 16,000 odd miles https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/veh...8x6_DROPS_.htm 303 miles!!! https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/veh...ER_DEPOSIT.htm 5622 miles! https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/veh...Land_Rover.htm .. |
Luckily we were not so stupid as to sell off our gold reserves, though… (er?)
A nation of not very good shop-keepers? Finally time to learn some hard lessons? |
Even these that were all flogged off with a couple of hundred miles on them cheap, Ukraine is using similar for quick dash and splash missions to kill tanks etc with the likes of stingers, something we could learn from.
https://tanks-alot.co.uk/product/springer-tomcar-2/ This is when we were selling them off With 250 miles on the clock for just over £7k Tests have proven the capabilities of the vehicle with 75 Springers commissioned by the UK Ministry of Defence at a cost of $10,300,000. Ideal for use on a farm/estate or for having a little fun, registered for road use, this looks remarkable value given the approximate £86,000 cost of each individual unit. https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/a...mcar-springer/ and how Ukraine is using the likes on the battlefield, something we could learn from https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-russian-tanks https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-b...russian-tanks/ Fast, cheap and lethal against armour. … |
Don't disagree with your point Nutty, but using reserve stocks didn't go so well for the Russians. Of course, there's a whole argument there about the quality of the equipment but I would imagine it's more than just parking stuff in the desert. Your industry has to have the capacity & capability to bring it back effectively.
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The reserve war stocks of vehicles i believe at Bruggen were dragged out and ran around the airfield every month or so, mainly landrovers, 431 MU had sheds full of them. Germany does not appear to have had much trouble generating the Gepards bar the ammo issues and the Government intransigence towards it.
The problem with Russias is their culture of what is yours is mine and the theft there of, tanks in reserve found engineless with electronics and optics stolen to flog on to third parties. |
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This little video is truly incredible. I recommend everybody watch it several times, to let it sink in. It says so much about why Russia is losing this war.
It shows a Ukrainian drone dropping a small grenade on a group of 11 Russian soldiers huddled sleeping in a (weakly) defensive dug-out pit, on the front line east of Bakhmut. What's amazing to watch is how sluggishly - if at all - the men react.…. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...212169728.html |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11336879)
Germany appears to be able to provide NATO Countries with Leopards, Ukraine with Gepards. The US to provide Countries with M113, Humvees, and Abrams tanks from their war reserve stocks.
The German Army did have proper War stock after the fall of the Iron Curtain with Tanks being conserved and put to Long Term Storage in 'Bundeswehr' Depots. These were mostly dissolved later on and the Tanks that were still rather up to date were given back to the Manufacturers (Krauss- Maffei/Wegmann and Rheinmetall). The latter did keep them as basis for Refurbishment and Re-selling to other Armies/Customers. That is where many/most of the Leopard 2 that were delivered in the past came from and this also where the Gepards (and a number of Marders) 'survived'. Unfortunately Chassis which were not produced by KMW/Rheinmetall did not find a similar caring home. This is why almost 100 of the MARS/M270 (of which the German Army once had 148 and now has less than 40) were scrapped instead of stored which are now badly missing as Basis for Refurb and for Supplying to Ukraine |
Desperate Putin tells Army it needs 5 million troops to 'finish war with NATO in Ukraine'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-kyiv-zelensky |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11337034)
This little video is truly incredible. I recommend everybody watch it several times, to let it sink in. It says so much about why Russia is losing this war.
It shows a Ukrainian drone dropping a small grenade on a group of 11 Russian soldiers huddled sleeping in a (weakly) defensive dug-out pit, on the front line east of Bakhmut. What's amazing to watch is how sluggishly - if at all - the men react.…. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...212169728.html Probably the comments sum it up. These men are suffering from moderate to severe hypothermia, when the body stops shivering and the mind goes into a stupor or even shuts down. They were probably laying huddled all night without proper clothing or bags. Night temperatures have been in the mid-high 30s F / 0-4 C https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....aa3563bed0.png |
Wagner commander commits suicide rather than be killed by a drone, judging by the film his left leg is unresponsive.
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This is how a military superpower looks like...
As these are the first 300k mobilized, one wonders what does the second batch get? Or the third... "Rzhev, 1942. Colourised. Just kidding it’s 2022." |
Originally Posted by Confusious
(Post 11337050)
Desperate Putin tells Army it needs 5 million troops to 'finish war with NATO in Ukraine'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-kyiv-zelensky |
Give them whatever they need to get this done.
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People asked about the supply of generators
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FSB killed ukrainian ultra nationalists, or airsofters larping STALKER
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I missed this one as it slipped under the radar, Poland to equip one Ukrainian SU24 with a SCALP cruise missile with a 300 Km range
https://avia-pro.net/news/polsha-osn...lp-s-dalnostyu also on the same link. Ukraine received 38 MLRS HIMARS from the USA. The Pentagon officially announced that Ukraine received 38 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems from the United States. This is one and a half times more than the amount of weapons that was officially announced, and taking into account 11 M270 MLRS multiple launch rocket systems supplied from the UK and Italy, as well as five MARS II rocket systems supplied by Germany, today Ukraine has a huge number of these MLRS funds. Until recently, Washington reported that only 24 HIAMRS launchers were in service with Ukraine, however, it is clear that such information turned out to be misinformation, probably with the aim of influencing the conduct of the JMD. The official report of the Pentagon states that, as of October 14, Ukraine has already received 38 HIMARS MLRS, and by the end of this year it is quite possible to supply additional MLRS (the US reserve is about 50 units - ed.) . A little earlier it was reported that, according to the Russian defense department, since the beginning of the appearance of the HIMARS MLRS in Ukraine, at least 13 launchers were hit, however, probably due to the replenishment of this weapon, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not feel its lack. |
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Russian SF culinary review, which they promise to personally deliver to the producer…
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11337379)
I missed this one as it slipped under the radar, Poland to equip one Ukrainian SU24 with a SCALP cruise missile with a 300 Km range
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Is it me or does his eyes look worried regardless of the sh*te he is spouting?
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11337679)
Is it me or does his eyes look worried regardless of the sh*te he is spouting?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...Cxid7flaUsAAAA Quite in line with recent Russian psyop aimed at forcing Ukraine to negotiate, and Peskov claiming the objectives of the special operation will be completed. |
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