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Flyhighfirst 6th Mar 2022 15:22


Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad (Post 11195582)
I wonder what has attracted the interest of a Global Hawk that is currently scribing racetrack patterns at 52k feet just off the Bulgarian coast? Much too far away from Odesa etc to be monitoring things there, I would have thought.

There have been two of them there almost everyday since before this started. They are out of sigonela.

NutLoose 6th Mar 2022 15:57

words fail me.



Ezra Ackner
@AcknerEzra
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Russian forces shell the humanitarian corridor in Irpen, just outside of Kyiv, #Ukraine as Ukrainians evacuate the civilians. CNN crew was at the scene and captured the moment. +18. #UkraineRussianWar
i believe this is from the other side of the street trying to save the father, the only one of a family of four that still had a pulse :(




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peter we 6th Mar 2022 16:10


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11195609)
Looks like a supplies convoy with an odd fuel tanker too.
Ukrainians are doing a good job.

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/statu...58525750206465

Russians are getting slaughtered.

Military defeat in the North at least.

Ewan Whosearmy 6th Mar 2022 16:12


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11195600)
looks like rotary (KA-52) maybe, from his gear? Easily identifiable from his name badge.

I'm aware of two such images. One is a Su-25 pilot, the other reportedly a Su-34 pilot/WSO.

NutLoose 6th Mar 2022 16:22


Ostap Yarysh@OstapYarysh·11m‼️Antony Blinken: The U.S. has given the “green light” to NATO countries if they choose to provide fighter jets to #Ukraine️.
I hope it’s true.

NutLoose 6th Mar 2022 16:28

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....36fdd2cec.jpeg

DaveReidUK 6th Mar 2022 16:33


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11195656)
I hope it’s true.

Blinken's remarks were in reference to Poland.

Herod 6th Mar 2022 16:41

If true, I suppose any serviceable Migs are heading to the spray bay right now. I suppose providing aircraft is no different from providing missiles etc.

cynicalint 6th Mar 2022 16:45

If the Kyiv Independent is to be believed, then the Russians must be approaching 10% loss, the point at which armies start to break.

Tartiflette Fan 6th Mar 2022 16:58


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11195661)
Blinken's remarks were in reference to Poland.

Quote from focus.de
" 15:51 MEZ .Poland repeats its refusal to either deliver Soviet-era planes to Ukraine, or allow its bases to be used to fly these aircraft . We are giving significant help in other areas." This was a Polish government statement on Twitter. Blinken's remarks are simply that the US is actively studying the possibility of supplying F-16's to replace the Mig 29's if Poland were to decide to send any to Ukraine.( this in reply to a question at a press-conference).

15.51 Uhr: Polen hat erneut Berichten widersprochen, wonach das Land die Ukraine mit Kampfflugzeugen sowjetischer Bauart ausstatten will. „Polen wird seine Kampfjets nicht in die Ukraine schicken und auch nicht erlauben, seine Flughäfen zu nutzen. Wir helfen ganz erheblich in vielen anderen Bereichen“, erklärte die Regierung in Warschau am Sonntag bei Twitter. Sie verwies dabei auf eine Erklärung des polnischen Generalstabs vom Donnerstag. Darin hieß es, alle polnischen Kampfflugzeuge vom Typ MiG-29 blieben auf ihren Heimatbasen, sie seien außerdem mit dem rot-weißen Hoheitszeichen der polnischen Luftwaffe markiert.

Zuvor hatten mehrere Medien berichtet, Polen werde der Ukraine MiG-Kampfjets zu Verfügung stellen und erhalte dafür von den USA Kampfflugzeuge vom Typ F-16.

US-Außenminister Antony Blinken bestätigte bei einer Pressekonferenz in Moldau auf eine Frage hin solche Überlegungen: „Wir sehen uns derzeit aktiv die Frage von Flugzeugen an, die Polen an die Ukraine liefern könnte. Und wie wir dann nachliefern könnten, sollte Polen sich entschließen (...) diese Flugzeuge zu liefern.“ Dafür gebe es keinen Zeitplan, aber man schaue sich das „sehr, sehr aktiv an“

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._52139887.html

GlobalNav 6th Mar 2022 16:58


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11195530)
I very much doubt a no-fly zone could be implemented be under the auspices of the UN for a simple reason that has been repeated ad nauseum on this thread. That said, there does appear to be a head of steam building for some sort of air intervention, whether it be boosting the Ukrainian AF with legacy eastern European fighters (the Yanks seem to be warming to this idea after the EU got cold feet), or something more as alluded to be a former US ambassador on Sky this morning (in essence a defensive no-fly zone over Kiev and the west of the country with very clear RoE i.e. only to fire on aircraft or helicopters if they entered and then refused to leave after warnings). Not quite sure how the Ukrainian AF would fit into the latter - if they flew a sortie over the east of the country and then were engaged by the Russian air force, could they scoot back to the west and gain the protection of patrolling NATO aircraft (as sort of happened in Libya with the ground war)?

Is possible the UN could offer a way out for Russia if their military continues to struggle i.e. them to request a UN mandated ceasefire and peacekeepers, they keeping their forces in place wherever they are, Putin announcing "mission accomplished" and his military going back to the drawing board to figure out exactly what this all means for future of the country (i.e whether they are well and truly f*cked and will eventually become a Chinese satellite state).

I get the caution about avoiding a nuclear conflict, but it still puzzles me that what Russia is doing is practically acceptable, but somehow defense of Ukraine by peace-loving nations and alliances is not. How much of the sausage must be sliced off before there is a proper response?

Sue Vêtements 6th Mar 2022 16:59


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11195659)

What would really put that into perspective is if someone bought a lot of Airfix kits, made up the right amount of models to match those numbers and then photographed them. For starters, just think of the floorspace you'd need to display them all

- and I'm being serious ... a way to turn statistics into something tangible/understandable


Video Mixdown 6th Mar 2022 17:04


Originally Posted by cynicalint (Post 11195669)
If the Kyiv Independent is to be believed, then the Russians must be approaching 10% loss, the point at which armies start to break.

The aircrews sure know that many of their friends aren’t coming back.

havoc 6th Mar 2022 17:25

Russia warning to Ukraine Neighbours ref aircraft
 
Russia on Sunday warned Ukraine's neighbours including NATO member Romania against hosting Kyiv's military aircraft, saying they could end up being involved in an armed conflict. (msn.com)

Russia on Sunday warned Ukraine's neighbours including NATO member Romania against hosting Kyiv's military aircraft, saying they could end up being involved in an armed conflict.

"We know for sure that Ukrainian combat aircraft have flown to Romania and other neighbouring countries," defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a video briefing.

"The use of the airfield network of these countries for basing Ukrainian military aviation with the subsequent use of force against Russia's army can be regarded as the involvement of these states in an armed conflict."

bur/imm

Ewan Whosearmy 6th Mar 2022 17:28


Originally Posted by AndySmith (Post 11195488)
Footage of another downed helicopter - it might well be the one from yesterday? It appears to be a Hind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG64vMOoxmw

Mi-35. Same one as downed a couple of days ago.

Obba 6th Mar 2022 17:55

I found this a very good link explaining as to why this all started.
It appears from the link that NATO was getting to close...




Fitter2 6th Mar 2022 18:13

India voted with Russia, and are dependant on them for most of their weapons (excepting instant sunshine, of course). Gravitas news is an Indian based entity. Why am I not surprised that they are peddling Putin's line. The USA promised this that and the other and it was never written down, but Russia trusted this agreemnt implicitly. By the way Obba, I have a very nice bridge to sell you.

212man 6th Mar 2022 20:03


Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy (Post 11195687)
Mi-35. Same one as downed a couple of days ago.

Mi-35 is the export version - surely the Russians are flying Mi24s?

Tartiflette Fan 6th Mar 2022 20:31

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...nderperforming

Janes Defence with their opinion of the performance of the Russian Air force (VKS ) to date

minigundiplomat 6th Mar 2022 20:42


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11195720)
Mi-35 is the export version - surely the Russians are flying Mi24s?

night attack version


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