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Beamr 26th Feb 2022 17:01

The Ukrainians show incredible civilian courage. In a confirmed video by CNN the people are stopping tanks Tiananmen style. It'll be a long war for the Russians.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...kes-nr-vpx.cnn

peter we 26th Feb 2022 17:05


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11190945)
On the other hand, the Ukranians are claiming over 3 000 Russian dead for 118 Ukranians, which also seems worthy of raised eyebrows.

it was 200 on the first day, I thought the number was unknown.
Russia is claim 7 aircraft shot down which is remarkable low.

sangiovese. 26th Feb 2022 17:13

The word hero is often misused. These people go way above and beyond heroism.

henra 26th Feb 2022 17:17

Finally!

1000 Anti Tank Weapons and 500 Stinger

dead_pan 26th Feb 2022 17:19

Someone mentioned a few days ago the Stangeglove scenario. Given the invasion appears to be going seriously off-track for Russia, I wonder if there back channel discussions underway between NATO and China in the event Vlad decides to escalate dramatically and Russia's upper echelons aren't prepared to intervene stop him? Some deal that NATO takes west of the Urals and China the east, to nullify the nuclear threat?

ORAC 26th Feb 2022 17:24

As said, something to watch.

If they are moving out to the eas5 they could just be reserves for the attack on Kyiv.

If arriving and deploying south they are just on the Ukrainian-Polish border and could be for an attack on Lviv or to stop supply and weaponry from Poland to the Ukrainian forces.

But, if so, it will put them face to face with NATO troops.


typerated 26th Feb 2022 17:29

If Poland fought with Ukraine in Ukraine - but then Russia retaliated against Poland in Poland?

dead_pan 26th Feb 2022 17:30


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11191020)
If arriving and deploying south they are just on the Ukrainian-Polish border and could be for an attack on Lviv or to stop supply and weaponry from Poland to the Ukrainian forces.

The latter is likely to be of big concern to Moscow, especially after the meeting last night to further boost military aid.

Also, reports of volunteers arriving from eastern Europe and beyond (Israel!) to join the fight.

RAFEngO74to09 26th Feb 2022 17:36

Russian armored convoy out of fuel and lost - and not taking much interest in this passing Ukrainian motorist. Ukraine has been taking road signs down - like the UK did in 1940.

I remember reading on ARRSE from an ex-BRIXMIS poster that during the Cold War the Soviets didn't issue maps below officer level. They relied heavily on field police / guides putting out markers or directing by hand signals. Many near the IGB lived locally and were going to targeted by the SAS if anything kicked off.

The Russians obviously don't have fully digitized battle groups or even SNCOs with those personal flip down GPS / network devices you see on NATO troops these days.

Over extended logistics LOCs are already an issue for the Russians - particularly now the Ukrainians have severed all rail links to Russia.


Beamr 26th Feb 2022 17:38

Here you go, the Ghost of Kiev in a picture shared by Ukraines former president Petro Poroshenko.
Whether this pilot is the ghost of kiev or not is irrelevant, the story is great.


RAFEngO74to09 26th Feb 2022 17:40

Ukrainian soldier walking down the road with a UK-supplied NLAW towards a destroyed convoy


Imagegear 26th Feb 2022 17:44

They are really handing it out in that video. Getting to the supply lines

Charley 26th Feb 2022 18:04


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11190974)
Reference the apologia for Russia above.

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Regardless, the hypocrisy of Russia is breathtaking.

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It really is the most flagrant hypocrisy by Russia and its apologists. Those who wish to claim the genocide and/or persecution of ethnic Russians in Ukraine, Crimea or the Donbas should perhaps consider how the ethnic Tatar or Roma - both indigenous to Ukraine - have fared in either of those Ukrainian occupied territories over the years since 2014, or indeed Russia at any point. Their own record is hardly unimpeachable or inspiring.

My personal view is that Russia, the Soviet Union before it, has no place lecturing other nations on how to protect their minorities given their own track record of forced resettlement, assimilation and prohibition of traditions. Adding the Sami and Karelian peoples onto the list, among others, I'll consider my tuppence spent.

Charley

212man 26th Feb 2022 18:09


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11190983)
Looking at the maps, looking at the pictures. looking at the messages I would dare to say: NOTHING is working as planned for the Russian Forces. Disaster for them is glancing more and more around the corner.
Guess they did not take old Bismarck's saying seriously enough: The best battle plan will last at best until first contact with the enemy.

Not Bismark - Moltke the Elder

ORAC 26th Feb 2022 18:17


ORAC 26th Feb 2022 18:24

Change of policy from Germany, they are now sending 1000 ATGW and 500 Stingers to Ukraine.

Major reversal of policy by Germany…..

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...lz-2022-02-26/

According to a defence source, the UK has offered to conduct "logistics operations" to support the delivery of the donations after the Ukrainian president called for more aid. Not sure what that will entail….

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-i...tands-12551824

ORAC 26th Feb 2022 18:27

And they will be well received and used…..



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