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Excellent. As previously stated - a thread in PPRuNe that we can all bite on - just like the old days!
Tempting though it is to let the muds get comfy I've just got to say:
F3 v Mig 29. I'll take an F3. If you disagree then I suggest you've been reading too many glossy brochures. Everything is better in the F3 except turn performance. So just don't merge having forgotten to fire any of your 8 rockets.
Muds seem to think that turn performance is everything rather than just one facet in an intercept that probably finished some time ago.
As for GR4 v F3:
I nearly fell off my chair laughing (or was that a pedestal?)
Fly safe
Tempting though it is to let the muds get comfy I've just got to say:
F3 v Mig 29. I'll take an F3. If you disagree then I suggest you've been reading too many glossy brochures. Everything is better in the F3 except turn performance. So just don't merge having forgotten to fire any of your 8 rockets.
Muds seem to think that turn performance is everything rather than just one facet in an intercept that probably finished some time ago.
As for GR4 v F3:
I nearly fell off my chair laughing (or was that a pedestal?)
Fly safe
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I can`t either!
GR4whateveryoursillyaddressis you are a shame to what should be a proud unified team (bombers and fighters) on a public forum!
Luke77
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You read like a first tourist on on rough-ride auto-mouth
GR4whateveryoursillyaddressis you are a shame to what should be a proud unified team (bombers and fighters) on a public forum!
Luke77
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You read like a first tourist on on rough-ride auto-mouth
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alligator,
Good lord man, don't worry about what you are reading here. It is basically someone having some fun stirring the pot. Rather well I might add.
I'm surprized anyone would admit to flying the "Tomato"
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Good lord man, don't worry about what you are reading here. It is basically someone having some fun stirring the pot. Rather well I might add.
I'm surprized anyone would admit to flying the "Tomato"
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Isn't this argument null and void as surely the "Most powerful fighters in the RAF operate on the ground"
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PPS For flips sake keep personal details out of the media even when you are home and on the pan. I know I bang on about it but you guys may have to return, and if OUR database now includes children's/wives details you can bet your bottom dollar that other less gentle organisations do too. I am not a bloke who blindly follows rules and certainly agree that some are made to be broken but please have a thought and think on.
The Angry Lizard
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PPS For flips sake keep personal details out of the media even when you are home and on the pan. I know I bang on about it but you guys may have to return, and if OUR database now includes children's/wives details you can bet your bottom dollar that other less gentle organisations do too. I am not a bloke who blindly follows rules and certainly agree that some are made to be broken but please have a thought and think on.
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gr4telicmate
You will no doubt be highly amused to hear that a group of senior officers at MOD were today discussing your posts on this thread, who you might be, whether or not the feds have the technology to track you down and if so, whether or not to instigate charge proceedings. Amusingly enough, the latter course of action was suggested by a GR4 mate. Although you do put the "f" into ****, and although it would be amusing to let you stew on this for a while, nobody would want you to become distracted to the point of being (even more of) a flight safety hazard - you still have a very dangerous job to do and we all wish for your safe return; so relax, the Air Defenders in the group managed to talk the GR4 mate out it and nothing is to be done . . .
From the sounds of things you'd be far better off spending your free time with your head in the books, or even reading a quality daily newspaper, than indulging in pathetic, ill-informed banter on the Internet. However, if you must be such an arse, do think very carefully about what you say in a public forum . . . . and no, I won't be drawn on exactly which one of the many offensive things you have said, has caused so much offence.
Good man!
(oh, if you're not a serving member of the Armed Forces, then do please disregard - byee!)
You will no doubt be highly amused to hear that a group of senior officers at MOD were today discussing your posts on this thread, who you might be, whether or not the feds have the technology to track you down and if so, whether or not to instigate charge proceedings. Amusingly enough, the latter course of action was suggested by a GR4 mate. Although you do put the "f" into ****, and although it would be amusing to let you stew on this for a while, nobody would want you to become distracted to the point of being (even more of) a flight safety hazard - you still have a very dangerous job to do and we all wish for your safe return; so relax, the Air Defenders in the group managed to talk the GR4 mate out it and nothing is to be done . . .
From the sounds of things you'd be far better off spending your free time with your head in the books, or even reading a quality daily newspaper, than indulging in pathetic, ill-informed banter on the Internet. However, if you must be such an arse, do think very carefully about what you say in a public forum . . . . and no, I won't be drawn on exactly which one of the many offensive things you have said, has caused so much offence.
Good man!
(oh, if you're not a serving member of the Armed Forces, then do please disregard - byee!)
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Soddim's second post on page 3 is valid and can actually be applied to most of the kit in all of our Services. We have always been disadvantaged by equipment that is not the latest, not the best and not the most reliable, but our servicemen have still managed to get the best out of it anyway in every theatre over the many decades. It all boils down to character and training, and that is where we excel.
(Exit to sound of the band striking up Land of Hope and Glory)
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whether or not to instigate charge proceedings
Exactly what would the charges be? Having read through gr4telicmate's posts, there is nothing there that is sensitive. Perhaps sensitive to someone's feelings but hardly worthy of charges.
If it is true (which I doubt) how the hell did you know about it. Aren't "you" leaking information about private conversations within the MOD? I would have thought that senior officers had better things to do than to talk about what they read on PPrune.
What an absolute load of bollocks!!
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Quite disappointed that the aircrew fraternity passed up a fine opportunity for some "Rock" comments. Please bring me back to normality with some fine banter as I am getting sick of the tame Joint Services stuff in my office.
Many thanks in advance for your cooperation.
The Lizard
Many thanks in advance for your cooperation.
The Lizard
Champagne anyone...?
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Haven't posted on here for ages but I must just say this is all marvellous, old-style Pprunery.
GR4Telic thingy - you be careful now...you apparently have the massed forces of British Military Intelligence after you now.
Suggest you get your username tattooed on your forehead and publish your service number on here. They'll never find you then.....
GR4Telic thingy - you be careful now...you apparently have the massed forces of British Military Intelligence after you now.
Suggest you get your username tattooed on your forehead and publish your service number on here. They'll never find you then.....
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Fin, a fair attempt but could do better. Possibly a mention that I should have tried harder at school? Thanks anyway, I now feel partially realigned to decent banter and am happy to attend the Purple Puzzle Palace tomorrow.
Good to see you recognise the importance of my position by capitalising the "A" !!
Per Ardua
Good to see you recognise the importance of my position by capitalising the "A" !!
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Reference your comment about "senior officers" at MOD considering trying to work out who gr4telicmate is, and charging him for his posts here on pprune. Just a few thoughts of mine.
First of all was this supposed to frighten or intimidate gr4telicmate? Or is it just an example of the short sightedness of our "senior officers" with their knee jerk reaction! If I were him my reply might be along the lines of "bring it on"! If he were charged I am sure he could elect to go to court martial, and get somebody like that nice Mr G Blades to defend him. I am sure he would get off easily, and end up making the "senior officers" look like tw*ts! Then again he could get the media involved, reporting on his court martial. Headlines like "Vengeful MOD charges stressed out Gulf War Hero" spring to mind. Along with comments like "is this any way to treat our returning heros"! A popular theme with the press at the moment.
The press might also pick up on the lack of trauma conselling avaiable to MOD personel (after all gr4telicmate must have experienced traumatic events!!) when firemen ambulance workers etc get it routinely (yes I know the MOD no doubt have a few counsellours retained on strength - but if you go to your MO with that sort of problem you are grounded and the word "nutter" is stamped on your file - so who does?)
No, trying to charge him could open up a whole can of words. I am afraid it also shows the lack of imagination of many of our senior officers. When in doubt resort to a big stick. How about the carrot alternative? Find out who gr4telicmate is, promote him and offer him the overseas posting of his choice provided he writes something on the thread to the effect that he has visited an F3 base and flown with them. He takes back everything he said, they are very professional, doing a great job with the kick they have, blah, blah, blah.. you get the drift! Problem solved so much more easily and cleanly!
So which approach will the RAF adopt, carrot or stick? Probably neither. In the RAF in which I serve they will probably find out who he is and slip the knife in quietly! A nice posting to a groundschool instructor slot somewhere, OIC birdscaring Saxa Vord etc, etc.
P.S You may have noticed my spelling is appalling, and no doubt there are typo's. In the hot and sandy place I am in computer time is limited, therefore this has been a bit rushed. Off to play "I spy" with the lads. Funny how often s comes up, sky, sun, sand......
Reference your comment about "senior officers" at MOD considering trying to work out who gr4telicmate is, and charging him for his posts here on pprune. Just a few thoughts of mine.
First of all was this supposed to frighten or intimidate gr4telicmate? Or is it just an example of the short sightedness of our "senior officers" with their knee jerk reaction! If I were him my reply might be along the lines of "bring it on"! If he were charged I am sure he could elect to go to court martial, and get somebody like that nice Mr G Blades to defend him. I am sure he would get off easily, and end up making the "senior officers" look like tw*ts! Then again he could get the media involved, reporting on his court martial. Headlines like "Vengeful MOD charges stressed out Gulf War Hero" spring to mind. Along with comments like "is this any way to treat our returning heros"! A popular theme with the press at the moment.
The press might also pick up on the lack of trauma conselling avaiable to MOD personel (after all gr4telicmate must have experienced traumatic events!!) when firemen ambulance workers etc get it routinely (yes I know the MOD no doubt have a few counsellours retained on strength - but if you go to your MO with that sort of problem you are grounded and the word "nutter" is stamped on your file - so who does?)
No, trying to charge him could open up a whole can of words. I am afraid it also shows the lack of imagination of many of our senior officers. When in doubt resort to a big stick. How about the carrot alternative? Find out who gr4telicmate is, promote him and offer him the overseas posting of his choice provided he writes something on the thread to the effect that he has visited an F3 base and flown with them. He takes back everything he said, they are very professional, doing a great job with the kick they have, blah, blah, blah.. you get the drift! Problem solved so much more easily and cleanly!
So which approach will the RAF adopt, carrot or stick? Probably neither. In the RAF in which I serve they will probably find out who he is and slip the knife in quietly! A nice posting to a groundschool instructor slot somewhere, OIC birdscaring Saxa Vord etc, etc.
P.S You may have noticed my spelling is appalling, and no doubt there are typo's. In the hot and sandy place I am in computer time is limited, therefore this has been a bit rushed. Off to play "I spy" with the lads. Funny how often s comes up, sky, sun, sand......
Scarab - your post is probably the most worthless, pathetic, self-inflating, pompous drivel I have ever had the misfortune to read. Oh aren't you important listening to "senior officers" chatting - that must mean you are really close to the centre of power. Oh aren't we all scared in case we say something you don't like in case you send your cyber trakers after us. Please, please don't report us to the banter police - you snivelling weasel.
This post is interesting not because of the original topic but because of the reaction of the AD brigade. Lots of abuse and foul language and, oh, how could I forget "dropping him in a bar" - well that's mature then!
Telicmate simply stated what a great many people have seen and know. Yes this may have been one of the first times that the environment has been benign enough to allow the F3 sausageside and no-one denies that they played a part but lets be realistic. There was virtually no threat from red air and this was know well before game-on. There was a very limited threat from SAMs because the capability has been so degraded by muds over the last few years. Super-MEZ my hairy ball-bag. The amount of vitriol is as a direct result of the accuracy of the posts of telicmate - we know you're worthless, the Yanks know you're worthless, but what really hurts is that you know you're worthless.
This post is interesting not because of the original topic but because of the reaction of the AD brigade. Lots of abuse and foul language and, oh, how could I forget "dropping him in a bar" - well that's mature then!
Telicmate simply stated what a great many people have seen and know. Yes this may have been one of the first times that the environment has been benign enough to allow the F3 sausageside and no-one denies that they played a part but lets be realistic. There was virtually no threat from red air and this was know well before game-on. There was a very limited threat from SAMs because the capability has been so degraded by muds over the last few years. Super-MEZ my hairy ball-bag. The amount of vitriol is as a direct result of the accuracy of the posts of telicmate - we know you're worthless, the Yanks know you're worthless, but what really hurts is that you know you're worthless.
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On the other means, banter and constructive criticism is encouraged. On this, a CIVILIAN means, a CAS mate goes fangs out teasing the Air Gods, and all of a sudden, it's "Your hat, my office, you better phone Ryan Air"
Pathetic
The ugly wives thread was the subject of heated debate on the grounds of taste, but no one is about to persecute Northern Monkey over it. If their Airships have been indeed reading this thread, I would think they would be able to separate banter from OPSEC breaches.
Chill out people, GR4 posted, the Fighter boys bit. It would have been very very funny, if the F3 guys had given as good as they got. Instead, it descended into real world threats.
Well, that's going to encourage free and easy unwinding on this means now isn't it? We've already said we don't want or need a moderator, and Danny sorted it.
Now it appears Big Brother is watching. Well done Scarab, I've no doubt, if their Airships are aware of GR4's feelings on the AD contribution to Telic, it's because you told them.
On the other means, banter and constructive criticism is encouraged. On this, a CIVILIAN means, a CAS mate goes fangs out teasing the Air Gods, and all of a sudden, it's "Your hat, my office, you better phone Ryan Air"
Pathetic
The ugly wives thread was the subject of heated debate on the grounds of taste, but no one is about to persecute Northern Monkey over it. If their Airships have been indeed reading this thread, I would think they would be able to separate banter from OPSEC breaches.
Chill out people, GR4 posted, the Fighter boys bit. It would have been very very funny, if the F3 guys had given as good as they got. Instead, it descended into real world threats.
Well, that's going to encourage free and easy unwinding on this means now isn't it? We've already said we don't want or need a moderator, and Danny sorted it.
Now it appears Big Brother is watching. Well done Scarab, I've no doubt, if their Airships are aware of GR4's feelings on the AD contribution to Telic, it's because you told them.
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Hi guys, returning hero here. I think things have gone a little bit over the top really, at the end of the day everybody knows that the F3 is manned by the dross that managed to scrape through the training system. Indeed, blokes who are chopped on the GR4 often get sent to the F3 and go on to be very successful, strange that on my course the opposite applied, but all the OCU instructors assure me that it was a one off. Anyway enough of my failings, oops sorry I didn't mean that I fly the GR4 so I don't have any, least that's what all the boys say. Strange though that we spend so much time slagging off the F3, I mean given that they were the guys we dragged through training you'd think we'd just ignore them as an irrelevance unworthy of comment.........bit like the F3 boys treat us actually. By the way, can we stop slagging off Senior Officers, given the competition in the GR4 (hero) Force I'm starting to fancy my chances, after all history has shown that it's easy to be above average when you work with larry low average, under achieving, self important, tossers, who are pre-occupied with throwing mud at their betters.
I'm astonished that no-one has pointed out that "if you were good enough you'd be single-seat"........ or are the Harrier boys out of breath and the Jag mates keeping their heads down, hoping against hope that the Jag won't be cut in the inevitable round of post Telic defence cuts?
Not me of course. I know I wouldn't be sharp enough for any frontline type, tired old hack that I am.....
Not me of course. I know I wouldn't be sharp enough for any frontline type, tired old hack that I am.....
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Jackonicko, the single seat boys haven't got involved for the simple reason that they know they are the best and we know they are the best. You would only start a purile thread like this if you're small 2 dimensional brain thought you might have found an angle that would drag you from the bottom of the fast jet pecking order, isn't that right GR4Telicboy?