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TOP GUN : Inside the RAF (where did it go?)

Old 7th Sep 2023, 16:14
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
The Tornado was interesting...maybe it's the Sqdn mascot in the same way the Army have dogs, goats, and even a sheep.
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I also noticed they had a newish looking Tonka in one hangar - do they keep one around as a squadron hack or is it an instructional airframe ?
The Tornado GR4 in the hangar is a replacement gate guardian to replace the GR1A

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Talking of Tornados parked in a corner, there was a Griffon Spitfire in episode one. Now that is a squadron hack.
That Mk21 Spitfire was delivered to 1(F) Sqn in mid 1944 and has somehow stayed in the Sqn's possession since it was retired in about 1955. Another Mk21 from the same batch is on display at Kelvingrove museum in Glasgow.
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Lomon
That Mk21 Spitfire was delivered to 1(F) Sqn in mid 1944 and has somehow stayed in the Sqn's possession since it was retired in about 1955. Another Mk21 from the same batch is on display at Kelvingrove museum in Glasgow.
Owned by the Sqn Association I believe, not the Sqn itself.
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 22:41
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Really? I was under the impression that the 2 Nimrod prototypes were converted from unfinished Comet 4 airframes, but that the production MR1s were all new build airframes, and the MR2s and R1s were converted from MR1s.
I think you are generally correct, although the 3 original R1 were never MR1.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
Now it's fine showing, as far as possible, the roles the crew perform, but, does the aircraft also carry Airborne Techs ?.....if so, they missed a trick in not showing the role they perform as another recruiting inducement.
Trick not missed - a P8 crew does not include any airborne techs.
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Originally Posted by Lomon
Trick not missed - a P8 crew does not include any airborne techs.
Thanks for the clarification albeit I'm a little surprised to learn this is the case.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
Thanks for the clarification albeit I'm a little surprised to learn this is the case.
Why? Weren't required on Nimrods, why might they be required on Poseidon?
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 18:21
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Originally Posted by J.A.F.O.
Why? Weren't required on Nimrods, why might they be required on Poseidon?
Does the role even exist in the RAF any more? I thought it ended when C-130K/VC10/Tristar were retired.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 18:50
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Does the role even exist in the RAF any more? I thought it ended when C-130K/VC10/Tristar were retired.
I think you are confusing Flight Engineers, part of the flight deck crew, with Airborne Techs who flew on the E3D AWACS to maintain the radar and associated systems
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 21:03
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
Thanks for the clarification albeit I'm a little surprised to learn this is the case.
shouldn’t be. Sentry was a 1960s tech flying museum exhibit. The flight deck was decades out of date. The mission system was decades out of date. The role of the airborne tech was outdated.
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Originally Posted by J.A.F.O.
Why? Weren't required on Nimrods, why might they be required on Poseidon?
I based my query on the fact. that, whilst Poseidon is clearly more advanced then to me, carrying Airborne Techs would have been prudent . If however, the reliability of the kit is such that failures are rare, then I can understand why they have been dispensed with.
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I flew one trip as an airborne tech on a shaky 8 Shack. I carried a GS screwdriver, a rubber mallet, and some baling twine. Got us up to the Faroe gap and back OK
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
I based my query on the fact. that, whilst Poseidon is clearly more advanced then to me, carrying Airborne Techs would have been prudent . If however, the reliability of the kit is such that failures are rare, then I can understand why they have been dispensed with.
It is not so much reliability as the practicality of carting the right test equipment and spare (expensive, so scarce) LRU's around.
Modern test equipment is pretty much essential, but is far too costly to have a set per aircraft. It also weighs, so would cost endurance as well as money. Additionally, if your spare kit is overhead the GIUK gap somewhere, but unused, it is also not available to fit to the relief aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
I based my query on the fact. that, whilst Poseidon is clearly more advanced then to me, carrying Airborne Techs would have been prudent . If however, the reliability of the kit is such that failures are rare, then I can understand why they have been dispensed with.
They haven't been dispensed with, they were never there in the first place.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 21:18
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
I based my query on the fact. that, whilst Poseidon is clearly more advanced then to me, carrying Airborne Techs would have been prudent . If however, the reliability of the kit is such that failures are rare, then I can understand why they have been dispensed with.
It is a flying computer down the back - 99 times out of a 100 if it goes wrong you reboot the computer. If it doesn't work then, then you either do without it or go home early.
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Episode 4 Akrotiri
Clear t/0 r/w 10
Takes off on r/w 28 !!
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Well tonight’s episode, what can I say…. 2 Typhoons near bad guys land and one gets a missile launch warning, so they sit there trying to fault diagnose the spurious warning, my first thought was, what if the warning is correct and the jet without it was the one at fault. That didn’t appear to have come into the thought process.

Speed drivers to de-panel the slats, have the Airforce not woken up to cordless electric screwdrivers or air driven, yes I understand the need for manual tooling in a war situation where you might have an EMP or lack of power but come on, join the 21st century.

Electronic slats… ok I admit there is good reasons for them, but. the Me 109 and some Rallly aircraft had leading edge slats that were manual and “sucked” themselves out when required.


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Old 11th Sep 2023, 23:37
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Well tonight’s episode, what can I say…. 2 Typhoons near bad guys land and one gets a missile launch warning, so they sit there trying to fault diagnose the spurious warning, my first thought was, what if the warning is correct and the jet without it was the one at fault. That didn’t appear to have come into the thought process.

Speed drivers to de-panel the slats, have the Airforce not woken up to cordless electric screwdrivers or air driven, yes I understand the need for manual tooling in a war situation where you might have an EMP or lack of power but come on, join the 21st century.

Electronic slats… ok I admit there is good reasons for them, but. the Me 109 and some Rallly aircraft had leading edge slats that were manual and “sucked” themselves out when required.
because they aint on base maintenance with compressors to hand? Electric cordless tools have always been banned in RAFas not flame proof. Us civvys are gash. I tend to use a speedy on the line as cordless drills can chew up screws I have no replacements for. Surprised the slat issue wasn't told by the aircrafts maint computer. Mis torque is usually something jamming. But AS1 blogs is not such a great techie after all.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 00:58
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Yes I know about electric screwdriver issues, but a compressor or bottles to run a windy is doable and I cannot see a problem with spare screws being carried, I agree the fault diagnosis appeared to be piss poor, it appeared to be more of a suck it and see, rather than a logical approach. If you cannot fix such items on first line at the front you are screwed if the war ever becomes hot. It might be an all singing all dancing bit of kit but if in a war situation it cannot be fixed and turned around it’s just an expensive hangar Queen.
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To Joe Public it might have given the impression that Typhoons go tech all the time.
My takeaway is that it is a sign of the times that we can only send 2 airframes on a det.
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Quite an interesting episode last night. Long range EO to identify the Russian aircraft looks intersting - but can it discriminate between an Il-76 transport and an Il-78 tanker....which might be supporting Russian fighters?

But the segment on boxing didn't really reflect the 'Top Gun' branding, although 'Waggy' seems like a nice chap.

'Swipe right' is some new yoof-speak expression, I gather!
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