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TOP GUN : Inside the RAF (where did it go?)

Old 12th Sep 2023, 10:36
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Remove before flight tags

Apologies if I'm showing my ignorance here, but on last night's episode of Top Gun, in the first couple of minutes, there was footage of a Typhoon taxiing with what looked like Remove Before Flight tags still in place. Is this normal when taxiing?
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I agree that my ring would be fluttering if I got a threat warning in a possibly hostile environment. I would probably be wishing that I had not rolled up my sleeves and left my flying gloves at home.

Seriously though, flying in a fast-jet bang-seat with bare arms and hands, is foolish in the extreme and should be left to some of our less well-informed foreign cousins, who seem to think that it is a sign of virility. GRRR!

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Final arming pins?
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 11:28
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Originally Posted by cngaero
Apologies if I'm showing my ignorance here, but on last night's episode of Top Gun, in the first couple of minutes, there was footage of a Typhoon taxiing with what looked like Remove Before Flight tags still in place. Is this normal when taxiing?
" Is this normal when taxiing?" No, but operational circumstances can permit it to facilitate the ac taxying to a designated arming area. Is/was called Combat Arming. Not used at home bases etc where this is usually done as Final Arming for pilot acceptance/walkround. Some nations (eg USAF) always do this because they've the resources available: armourers, transport, accommodation etc for the purpose - we don't! have such luxuries.
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Originally Posted by superplum
" Is this normal when taxiing?" No, but operational circumstances can permit it to facilitate the ac taxying to a designated arming area. Is/was called Combat Arming. Not used at home bases etc where this is usually done as Final Arming for pilot acceptance/walkround. Some nations (eg USAF) always do this because they've the resources available: armourers, transport, accommodation etc for the purpose - we don't! have such luxuries.
Thank you for the reply, that makes perfect sense.
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I was surprised when the young technician was filmed ringing his wife from an operational environment and telling her about the problem aircraft and that they were swopping it out for another. Need to know not needed now?
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 13:29
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These fly on the wall documentaries are good for the service in theory. It could be a nice insight for the public to show what we do.

But I'm finding this series too fake and it comes across as very scripted. People don't naturally talk like that.

In some scenes it appears the film crew got the Sqn yes man. Every time he talks, I find him nauseating.
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To Joe Public it might have given the impression that Typhoons go tech all the time.
My takeaway is that it is a sign of the times that we can only send 2 airframes on a det.
there were 6, but 2 on QRA at anyone time and 4 for training / other sorties. Documentary production team making a big do about nothing really.

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To Joe Public it might have given the impression that Typhoons go tech all the time.
My takeaway is that it is a sign of the times that we can only send 2 airframes on a det.
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I thought the same thing. I know that Typhoon is supposed to be pretty reliable, that jet excepted. But when you have just over 100 Typhoon, I guess you can not afford to send more than a couple. Another Lossimouth squadron were on another detachment.
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
I agree that my ring would be fluttering if I got a threat warning in a possibly hostile environment.

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But they didn't appear to work the problem to see which one was correct, thought to be fair that could have been edited out, it could have been a genuine warning and the other jet could have had the problem.
I remember an aircraft crash near me where one of the two AH's failed just after take off in cloud and the two crew sadly followed the toppling AH to the crash site believing the servicable one was at fault..
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Originally Posted by Buster15
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I thought the same thing. I know that Typhoon is supposed to be pretty reliable, that jet excepted. But when you have just over 100 Typhoon, I guess you can not afford to send more than a couple. Another Lossimouth squadron were on another detachment.
It is not a Squadron detachment, it is one element of a NATO air policing mission. Nor were there only two Typhoons - the deployment has always been at least four aircraft since the mission began. Who do you think was providing QRA whilst the other two were in a formation having their picture taken? People are reading way too much into what they see and hear in this TV programme.
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Beags,shades of the VC-10/Tristar Loadie,and the` Remove before Flight` pins.....
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Standards.

The man charged with overall service discipline on station, on finding two airmen walking along, hands in pockets, asked them to comply, and even said please.

What has this woke, polite, touchy feely service achieved, that is better than what came before?

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Originally Posted by Warren Peace
The man charged with overall service discipline on station, on finding two airmen walking along, hands in pockets, asked them to comply, and even said please.
What has this woke, polite, touchy feely service achieved, that is better than what came before?
​The people shown are part of modern society, and that irresistibly changes constantly. If politeness achieves the same as yelling I see no problem with politeness. You might as well bemoan the passing of puttees, bedpacks, collar studs and hairy mary's. Good riddance to all I say.
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Originally Posted by Warren Peace
The man charged with overall service discipline on station, on finding two airmen walking along, hands in pockets, asked them to comply, and even said please.

What has this woke, polite, touchy feely service achieved, that is better than what came before?
Tread Softly and carry a Big Stick.

Where is the harm in asking nicely first time?

I'm pretty sure that The Gentleman in question has more than enough in his arsenal should they require a second visit.

Sometimes you don't need to be an ars€h0le
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
It is not a Squadron detachment, it is one element of a NATO air policing mission. Nor were there only two Typhoons - the deployment has always been at least four aircraft since the mission began. Who do you think was providing QRA whilst the other two were in a formation having their picture taken? People are reading way too much into what they see and hear in this TV programme.
Really.....Well I watched the programme last night. And it was pretty clear to me and most likely most of those who watched that we were told that there Only were 2 Typhoon jets there. One was declared unserviceable and could not be rectified there so they needed to call for a replacement jet from Lossimouth.
If there were 4 Typhoon jets there then the RAF guys on base were not aware of that.
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Really.....Well I watched the programme last night. And it was pretty clear to me and most likely most of those who watched that we were told that there Only were 2 Typhoon jets there. One was declared unserviceable and could not be rectified there so they needed to call for a replacement jet from Lossimouth.
If there were 4 Typhoon jets there then the RAF guys on base were not aware of that.
Don't worry, everyone was aware of the other jets parked on the pan and in the hangar.

This U/S jet took them down to 5 servicable aircraft.
We would like 6 servicable for all of the logical reasons the armchair experts have listed above (well done, you military strategists).
This jet could not be fixed in theatre, however it was still flyable, albeit with limited manoeuvrability, so the decision was made to swap it for a more serviceable aircraft from Lossie.

As mentioned, TV producers like to 'sex up' what is, for most of us in the military, normal jogging. Believe me, QRA itself is basically a crap version of Gogglebox. ie Loads of boys and girls sitting watching TV and chatting rubbish. Channel 4 viewers would probably switch off 2 minutes into this, so don't be too unsurprised to hear the truth being embellished slightly by the narrator.

I hope this allays everyones' fears regarding the defence of NATO's Eastern Flank.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Warren Peace
The man charged with overall service discipline on station, on finding two airmen walking along, hands in pockets, asked them to comply, and even said please.

What has this woke, polite, touchy feely service achieved, that is better than what came before?
But he didn't, he found two Aviators, get with the times T-Rex. But seriously, so what? He's still in charge of discipline, they did as they were asked, without walking off mumbling about what a tw@ he is.Caricature GD SWOs, with comedy Windsor Davies and National Service acts, belong in the past where they were effective. As Dalton says "be nice, until it's time to not be nice"
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Don't you yell at me Mr Warwick!
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Originally Posted by cheekychimp
.Caricature GD SWOs, with comedy Windsor Davies and National Service acts, belong in the past
Except for Dad's Army Sergeant Wilson?
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