Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Rubbishing Russias staged vehicles in the incursion into Russia.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
"Poland is preparing for an armed coup in Belarus" - Polish General Waldemar Skrzypchak.
He clarified that we are talking about a military operation. "We need to be ready to support the troops that will conduct the operation against Lukashenka."
He clarified that we are talking about a military operation. "We need to be ready to support the troops that will conduct the operation against Lukashenka."
Posted a few minutes ago on the RT website:
'Vladimir Putin has led Russia to abject failure with his invasion of Ukraine' the head of the Russian Wagner mercenary group has said in an astonishing outburst. 'Far from demilitarising Ukraine – Russia's key war aim – Putin's botched strategy has seen Kyiv amass one of the world's strongest armies through massive Western supplies' Yevgeny Prigozhin said. Prigozhin gave a devastating critique of the war strategy. He then warned of impending 'revolution' in Russia unless changes were made by the Kremlin leadership. In an astonishing attack on military leaders, he said Russia would restore the death penalty and the guilty – he named defence ministry Sergei Shoigu and chief of the defence staff Valery Gerasimov as responsible for the war crisis – would be 'hanged on Red Square'.
Prigozhin blamed both Shoigu and Gerasimov for losing more men in Bakhmut than in the entire ten-year Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1979-89, which eventually led to the collapse of the USSR. He told interviewer Konstantin Dolgov - a prominent pro-war blogger: 'As for de-militarisation… [this is] a painful issue indeed.
'So if they had at the start of it 500 tanks – now they have 5,000. If there were 20,000 men who were able to fight – now there are 400,000. So how exactly did we demilitarise it? 'Quite the opposite! We militarised it up to the brim.
'I think Ukrainians today are one of the world's strongest armies.
'Vladimir Putin has led Russia to abject failure with his invasion of Ukraine' the head of the Russian Wagner mercenary group has said in an astonishing outburst. 'Far from demilitarising Ukraine – Russia's key war aim – Putin's botched strategy has seen Kyiv amass one of the world's strongest armies through massive Western supplies' Yevgeny Prigozhin said. Prigozhin gave a devastating critique of the war strategy. He then warned of impending 'revolution' in Russia unless changes were made by the Kremlin leadership. In an astonishing attack on military leaders, he said Russia would restore the death penalty and the guilty – he named defence ministry Sergei Shoigu and chief of the defence staff Valery Gerasimov as responsible for the war crisis – would be 'hanged on Red Square'.
Prigozhin blamed both Shoigu and Gerasimov for losing more men in Bakhmut than in the entire ten-year Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1979-89, which eventually led to the collapse of the USSR. He told interviewer Konstantin Dolgov - a prominent pro-war blogger: 'As for de-militarisation… [this is] a painful issue indeed.
'So if they had at the start of it 500 tanks – now they have 5,000. If there were 20,000 men who were able to fight – now there are 400,000. So how exactly did we demilitarise it? 'Quite the opposite! We militarised it up to the brim.
'I think Ukrainians today are one of the world's strongest armies.
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He misses the point completely. The reason they are failing, both as a country and a military, is the institutional corruption that allows public spending budgets to be stolen and spent on flash cars, yachts and luxury villas. To change that would require massive changes in Russian society. The only people who could make such changes are the same ones who benefit most from the corruption. They must have noticed that’s how North Korea works too.
Deja vu all over again
Reminds me of....
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Russia is getting grief from their continued bully tactics, the go-to stance for centuries. They then get a push back, and their introspective review concludes that they need more violence than they are dishing out already... It can't just be the vodka, there is a screw loose inside their helmets, seems to be reminiscent of long term abuse brain injuries.
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Yes indeed, and in the Prigozhin speech there, notice what he says about denazification, which proves that it does not mean the removal of the nazi (fascist) leadership in Kyiv. Denazification means erasing the concept of Ukraine having a national identity. And in attempting to cleanse Ukraine of those "nazis", Russia has achieved the opposite.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I took a closer look at the Russian air force and its lacklustre performance in Ukraine. A major conclusion is that Western analysts have long misjudged the VKS, which is not intended for the same tasks and roles as Western air forces. Big implications!
https://wavellroom.com/2023/05/24/ru...isance-menace/
Russian airpower in Ukraine – Nuisance or Menace?
https://wavellroom.com/2023/05/24/ru...isance-menace/
Russian airpower in Ukraine – Nuisance or Menace?
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There was a longer one Spinex from his rant somewhere as well.
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Robbing Peter to pay Paul?
There is information that large convoys of Russian military equipment have been moving through Starobilsk, Chervonodon. Putin probably made the decision to strengthen the defense of Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk regions after successful operation of Russian partisans in Belgorod region. This means that Russian frontlines in Luhansk and Donetsk region might weaken. We will see what happens next.
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That Russian ship that was reported as not being hit recently rather like the Moskva was indeed hit.
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Fresh reviews at the Russian border in Belgorod Oblast
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A captured Spartan, It appears to have thrown a wheel and a track.
I took a closer look at the Russian air force and its lacklustre performance in Ukraine. A major conclusion is that Western analysts have long misjudged the VKS, which is not intended for the same tasks and roles as Western air forces. Big implications!
https://wavellroom.com/2023/05/24/ru...isance-menace/
Russian airpower in Ukraine – Nuisance or Menace?
https://wavellroom.com/2023/05/24/ru...isance-menace/
Russian airpower in Ukraine – Nuisance or Menace?
Before Western readers of this text indulge too much in Schadenfreude or, even worse, entirely writes off Russia as a military threat in Europe, it behoves us to consider some mementoes. It is easy to point fingers and act as a Besserwisser from a safe position on the bleachers. However, should other European countries be subjected to the same ordeal that Ukraine is going through, they would probably be much worse, both in capabilities and will. Although the reasons are different – a deep-seated peacetime mentality instead of endemic corruption and sleaze – the results can be similar: hollow armed forces not fit for fighting wars. And the fabulous ‘Western’ military capabilities alluded to in this article are almost all American. Without US participation, it would seem doubtful that a European defence could stand up to a weakened Russia.
Although Russia’s military capabilities have turned out to be less impressive than many in the West thought before this war, the Russian armed forces are neither an operetta-type outfit nor a pushover. As already noted, they can put whole provinces and cities to waste and make up in ruthless brutality much of what they lack in professionalism and prowess. They wage war in an old-fashioned manner, so old-fashioned that we are talking about the Old Testament or the Thirty Year’s War, but unless stopped, that can be terrifyingly effective, as shown in Chechnya. They have probably killed 100.000 Ukrainians and driven 10 million from their homes; they are still attacking and still hold on to 20 per cent of Ukraine’s territory.
Although the Russian armed forces are likely resistant to profound change, they have already shown that they can adapt for various cultural and structural reasons during this war. Moreover, the experience of humiliating defeats and the desire for revenge can be powerful motives for adaptation and deep military reforms – it has happened before in Russian history. We should recall that only six years after being routed, defeated and humiliated in the Six Days War, the Egyptian army managed to shake Israel to its roots when they attacked across the Suez Canal with new tactics, new arms and an entirely new offensive spirit, initially making significant gains.
The Yom Kippur War should also serve as a reminder. Far-reaching conclusions were initially drawn in the West from the first week’s fighting, many prophesying the ‘death’ of the tank and the crewed aircraft due to Egypt’s successful use of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Some perceived lessons from Russia’s current war in Ukraine may likewise be sui generis or ephemeral.
Although Russia’s military capabilities have turned out to be less impressive than many in the West thought before this war, the Russian armed forces are neither an operetta-type outfit nor a pushover. As already noted, they can put whole provinces and cities to waste and make up in ruthless brutality much of what they lack in professionalism and prowess. They wage war in an old-fashioned manner, so old-fashioned that we are talking about the Old Testament or the Thirty Year’s War, but unless stopped, that can be terrifyingly effective, as shown in Chechnya. They have probably killed 100.000 Ukrainians and driven 10 million from their homes; they are still attacking and still hold on to 20 per cent of Ukraine’s territory.
Although the Russian armed forces are likely resistant to profound change, they have already shown that they can adapt for various cultural and structural reasons during this war. Moreover, the experience of humiliating defeats and the desire for revenge can be powerful motives for adaptation and deep military reforms – it has happened before in Russian history. We should recall that only six years after being routed, defeated and humiliated in the Six Days War, the Egyptian army managed to shake Israel to its roots when they attacked across the Suez Canal with new tactics, new arms and an entirely new offensive spirit, initially making significant gains.
The Yom Kippur War should also serve as a reminder. Far-reaching conclusions were initially drawn in the West from the first week’s fighting, many prophesying the ‘death’ of the tank and the crewed aircraft due to Egypt’s successful use of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Some perceived lessons from Russia’s current war in Ukraine may likewise be sui generis or ephemeral.
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Propagandists on the strength of the Ukrainian militery and we get a mention on the opposite.
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Sweden to allow Ukrainians to train in the Gripen
"Konstantin Dolgov has today been sacked. He was a journalist for the Telega ONLINE project, a pro-Kremlin media outlet.
His says he was fired for publishing the full version of the interview with Yevgeny Prigozhin, in which Prigozhin said Moscow’s plan to "demilitarize" Ukraine has failed and that Russia's invasion of its neighbour "turned Ukraine's army into one of the most powerful in the world." In the interview, Prigozhin had criticized some of Russia's top military officials, accusing them of unprofessionalism and corruption."
His says he was fired for publishing the full version of the interview with Yevgeny Prigozhin, in which Prigozhin said Moscow’s plan to "demilitarize" Ukraine has failed and that Russia's invasion of its neighbour "turned Ukraine's army into one of the most powerful in the world." In the interview, Prigozhin had criticized some of Russia's top military officials, accusing them of unprofessionalism and corruption."
Nice to see that the belligerents can apparently behave like gentlemen, but I've never really understood this concept during an ongoing conflict.
Are the exchangees under some kind of parole to withhold from further armed participation, or do they just get a bowl of borscht, 48-hour-pass and re-issued a Kalashnikov?
Are the exchangees under some kind of parole to withhold from further armed participation, or do they just get a bowl of borscht, 48-hour-pass and re-issued a Kalashnikov?
Nice to see that the belligerents can apparently behave like gentlemen, but I've never really understood this concept during an ongoing conflict.
Are the exchangees under some kind of parole to withhold from further armed participation, or do they just get a bowl of borscht, 48-hour-pass and re-issued a Kalashnikov?
Are the exchangees under some kind of parole to withhold from further armed participation, or do they just get a bowl of borscht, 48-hour-pass and re-issued a Kalashnikov?
Is there usually a tariff i.e one pilot = 10 soldiers , one tank commander = three soldiers ? Do the parties have a say in who comes ? I imagine that it would benefit one side to send back as many wounded as possible, as they won't be available for combat quickly, and take up resources.