Ukraine War Thread Part 2


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From: Over the rainbow
Funnily enough I was thinking the same in the early hours of yesterday.
Perhaps its because they can launch them from any road or hardened surface quite close to the front giving them more range, without the need of a specialist launch vehicle.
The launch vehicle needs time to set up, load the unit, dispatch and bug out.
These drones can be assembled in a barn wheeled out and probably only need a short takeoff run with the high aspect ratio wing.
Having a droppable undercarriage would add complexity for little gain.
Perhaps its because they can launch them from any road or hardened surface quite close to the front giving them more range, without the need of a specialist launch vehicle.
The launch vehicle needs time to set up, load the unit, dispatch and bug out.
These drones can be assembled in a barn wheeled out and probably only need a short takeoff run with the high aspect ratio wing.
Having a droppable undercarriage would add complexity for little gain.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...

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The drone is a Liutyi (Fierce in Ukrainian.) built by Ukrainian company JSC, a state-owned concern encompassing over a hundred of manufacturers.
Based on previous statements by officials, it has a warhead of 75 kg and an operational range of over 1,000 kilometers.
As for GPS guidance, the Russians don’t have enough jammers to cover the battlefield, let alone the whole of Russia….
Based on previous statements by officials, it has a warhead of 75 kg and an operational range of over 1,000 kilometers.
As for GPS guidance, the Russians don’t have enough jammers to cover the battlefield, let alone the whole of Russia….

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From: Slovakia
A large oil refinery may have up to 70 - yes - seventy - cracking columns, a smaller one perhaps 30 according to a brief internet search. So whacking one or two will be no more than a brief inconvenience, and anyone who imagines Ruzzia "doesn't have the capacity" to build enough towers to equip one single small refinery is, imho, living in dreamland. They're only big steel tubes with a bit of plumbig attached after all. Long lead-timeto replace maybe, but even so. There's nothing very technical about them and the loss of two or three out of 30 is hardly going to make a vast difference to output. OK, that just cuts 10% (ie decimates) the output of a small refinery, and half that of a large one. Big deal unless you can keep hitting them all every week for six months or more.
Russia has a huge territory and to defend it is quite a challenge. This is not just a symbolic act, it may create quite an effect.

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From: Oop Norf
I think you are over thinking the problem. Fixed u/c is lighter, less complex and doesn't fail. It's a very thin structure so probably doesn't impart much drag on the craft decreasing it's range significantly. It means the craft can be recovered easily as apposed trying to catch it or land it on a dolly. It's only viable to have a u/c that can be raised by more complex (and more expensive) drones.
And no u/c is even lighter, simpler and less draggy than a thin fixed u/c. The drag penalty will be enough when every extra km of range counts.
What's wrong with using a drop-off lauch dolly ?



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I submit that the Ukrainians operating these devices know exactly what they are doing, and are doing it very well indeed.
If there was a better way of building and operating them I think they would be doing it.
If there was a better way of building and operating them I think they would be doing it.

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From: Washington.

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From: Oop Norf
Wow. Clearly a bunch of you lack an enquiring mind (which is a little worrying on a pilot's forum).
The simple explanation for the presence of a fixed u/c is that the drones are multi-role and not purely designed for kamikaze missions.
The simple explanation for the presence of a fixed u/c is that the drones are multi-role and not purely designed for kamikaze missions.


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Judging by this article the Liutyi attack drone is similar to the reconnaissance one I pictured.
https://mb6k2s.c97.org/en/news/2024/3/13/587386/
https://mb6k2s.c97.org/en/news/2024/3/13/587386/

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Remember that Forbes Ukraine article from last year that found Russia had spent $25.6 billion on compensation to families of deceased soldiers and $21 billion on compensation to the wounded.
Putin has previously signed a decree earlier in 2023 ordering the payout of $68,800 to the families of deceased and $41,300 to soldiers that are wounded. Using this we can get a glance at potential Russian casualties ASSUMING zero corruption/money laundering and that all funds allocated where properly paid out…..
According to Russian expenditures, Russian casualties in the past 18 months are as follows.
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KIA: 372,093
WIA: 507,000…
Putin has previously signed a decree earlier in 2023 ordering the payout of $68,800 to the families of deceased and $41,300 to soldiers that are wounded. Using this we can get a glance at potential Russian casualties ASSUMING zero corruption/money laundering and that all funds allocated where properly paid out…..
According to Russian expenditures, Russian casualties in the past 18 months are as follows.
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KIA: 372,093
WIA: 507,000…



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From: Over the rainbow

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Wouldn't be surprised if UKR launches a volley of these things at one target. Must have been no joke watching the Seababies heading for your ship and knowing that its chums are also on their way, out of your sight. Very wisely UKR says nothing about it, more power to their elbows.


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Wouldn't be surprised if UKR launches a volley of these things at one target. Must have been no joke watching the Seababies heading for your ship and knowing that its chums are also on their way, out of your sight. Very wisely UKR says nothing about it, more power to their elbows.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...

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False flag?
As one reply notes, “Remember everybody, the best place to store your gas cans is in the cockpit of a scrap helicopter in front of a CCTV camera”…
Link includes 3 videos.
Security Services in the Moldovan Breakaway-Region of Transnistria are reporting that a One-Way “Suicide” Drone today Struck a Mil Mi-8 Utility Helicopter, which appears to have been Inoperable, with the Transnistria Air Force at a Small Airfield near the Capital of Tiraspol resulting in its Total Destruction.
The Drone is claimed to have entered Transnistria Airspace from the direction of Odesa in Southern Ukraine.
As one reply notes, “Remember everybody, the best place to store your gas cans is in the cockpit of a scrap helicopter in front of a CCTV camera”…
Link includes 3 videos.
Security Services in the Moldovan Breakaway-Region of Transnistria are reporting that a One-Way “Suicide” Drone today Struck a Mil Mi-8 Utility Helicopter, which appears to have been Inoperable, with the Transnistria Air Force at a Small Airfield near the Capital of Tiraspol resulting in its Total Destruction.
The Drone is claimed to have entered Transnistria Airspace from the direction of Odesa in Southern Ukraine.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...

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With the previous conscription and losses that will wipe out the native Ukrainian population of the region, doubtless replaced by offering their land and property to Russian carpet baggers…
After the fake "elections", the russians plan to mobilize up to 300,000 citizens of Ukraine in the temporarily occupied territories, — State Border Service
To confirm the plans of the Russians, the DPSU published a corresponding document handed over by one of the Ukrainian special services.

Note implementation and completion dates:
25 March, 2024 and 01 June, 2024.




After the fake "elections", the russians plan to mobilize up to 300,000 citizens of Ukraine in the temporarily occupied territories, — State Border Service
To confirm the plans of the Russians, the DPSU published a corresponding document handed over by one of the Ukrainian special services.

Note implementation and completion dates:
25 March, 2024 and 01 June, 2024.






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From: UK
Absolutely, this. If you have something that will do the job, why spend time and resources developing something else. Ideal? No. Effective? Yes. Let not the perfect defeat the good.

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From: aus
No fracking towers irreplacable, these items have multi year lead times with limited amount of a manufactures certified to produce them and afik none in russia. They might be able to get some replacements from china but imagine the west would be closely watching for any and would come down like a hammer on china.



