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Ukraine War Thread Part 2

Old 7th Dec 2023, 12:51
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Ukraines wish come want list has just got mind blowing... I suppose if you do not ask, you do not get.

WASHINGTON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Ukraine's latest list of U.S. weapons it says it needs to fight the Russian military includes sophisticated air defense systems, F-18 "Hornet" fighter jets, drones, Apache and Blackhawk helicopters, according to documents seen by Reuters.

Officials from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense presented a "list of armaments to meet the needs of defense forces of Ukraine" during a closed-door session of a conference in Washington on Wednesday attended by government officials and defense industry executives.

The comprehensive list included weapons Ukraine already has in stock like Abrams tanks and 155 millimeter artillery, as well some weaponry such as F-16s, drones and long-range ATACMS missiles that it has asked for in the past.

But the list has a few surprises including big-ticket items like C-17 Globemaster transport jets made by Boeing (BA.N) and the C-130 Super Hercules made by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N). Boeing's Apache attack helicopters made the list, as did the Black Hawk helicopter made by Lockheed Martin's Sikorsky unit.

But the Ukrainians did not stop there. The documents show Ukraine is also seeking F-18 "Hornet" fighter jets, three types of drones made by General Atomics including the MQ-9B Sky Guardian and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) air defense system made by Lockheed.

Ukrainians know they must secure Western military aid to carry on the fight.

Legislation that would provide billions of dollars in new security assistance for Ukraine and Israel was blocked in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday as Republicans pressed their demands for tougher measures to control immigration at the U.S. border with Mexico.

U.S. President Joe Biden has made a Ukrainian victory a foreign-policy goal as he campaigns for re-election in November 2024.

Ukraine's list reflects what would easily be billions of dollars' worth of purchases or donations of weapons.

The Ukrainian embassy in Washington did not immediately return a request for comment.



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Ukrainian Vampire delivery date set

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Old 7th Dec 2023, 12:59
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Donetsk fuel farm hit the other day.

Donetsk, in addition to the arrival of a warehouse with fuel and lubricant materials, there was also a successful hit by an AGM-88 HARM on air defense/radar.
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 13:07
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Grumblings in Russia over the time served on the frontline etc

"Hello. My name is __, I'm currently serving in military unit 122__ and I'm writing on behalf of a group of Russian military personnel. We hope that we will be able to stop the bad trend while we still have the opportunity.
Two days ago, the deputy political officer gathered the personnel and informed us verbally that our wives and mothers should not dare take part in any rallies to bring us home.
Moreover, they said that the FSB would monitor who was in the "protest groups" on social networks, and if they find anyone, there would be problems for both our family and for us.
So, our women and us, on the front lines in the trenches and mud, are being threatened by some office staff rats.
All our guys were very indignant at the order, and the political officer said that he did not like it either, but there was an order to inform everyone and warn us of our responsibility.
However, they did not force us to sign any papers, as would usually happen in such cases. Apparently, they are afraid that we will take pictures and share them with you and journalists.
The situation is absurd because we are all really fed up already and want to understand when we will come home, our wives also want to finally live normally as a full family and not wait for a funeral from one day to the next.
How are we and our wives worse than the cops and FSB officers? We do not see anything criminal in this (wives protesting), to return home is our only goal.
All this nonsense about the "hand of the CIA," CIPsO (Ukraine’s Special Forces Center for Information & Psychological Operations) and so on, the especially gifted can shove it up their asses, pardon my poor language.
Let them come here and tell us to our faces that our relatives are agents of the West, I would like to see it. I have honor."
“Yesterday we were informed about new measures, they said that wives who go to rallies will be detained and fined, for petitions and activity in social networks there will be a charge of discreditation (of the Russian army).
We, contract servicemen, were threatened that husbands of especially active women would end up in the Storm detachment (penal unit). We are now in the Kherson direction, where it's hot (heavy fighting), so it's a one-way ticket.
I don't know what to do with all this, I really want to go home, **** all this. If they take our wives, it's scary to imagine how it could end, we won't tolerate it.”
Recognizing the severity of the problem, the Kremlin fascists are trying to mitigate the situation by bribing military spouses not to protest.
Putin may find himself in a true conundrum - they can’t continue to bribe the spouses not to protest, nor can they risk arresting the military spouses.
Since there are over 400,000 families in Russia whose men are occupying Ukraine, this problem could turn into a catalyst of significant domestic developments in Russia.


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Old 7th Dec 2023, 13:17
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They are looking at extending the Neptune payload and adding 100Km to the range

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Old 7th Dec 2023, 18:21
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While public attention was on airfields in Luhansk and Berdyans'k, russians set up secret helicopter bases and FARPs in various locations.

This was initially exclusive to paid subscribers, but I am now releasing it, especially in light of the recent SBU strike in the region.…

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Old 7th Dec 2023, 23:16
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Russian media report that the Elektrozavod factory is on fire in Moscow.

It is Russia's largest manufacturer of transformer and reactor equipment.
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A reminder to all that this thread is about reporting the actual war in Ukraine, politics goes in the JB thread here: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/644...asantries.html
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I wonder what cell she is in tonight?

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I respect those ladies for speaking up.
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Psy ops…… Erm that’s different.

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I respect those ladies for speaking up.
They have larger cajones than most of the male population
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Looks like the Russian route is more dangerous than the Med route….

Russian authorities are recruiting migrants who are trying to get from Russia to Finland, for the war against Ukraine, the BBC writes.

Russian authorities have started detaining and recruiting foreigners with expired Russian visas for the war against Ukraine who are trying to get from Russia to Finland.

Journalists noticed that in mid-November, the police began to massively detain those who had violated migration laws. These detentions took place during the same period as the first two waves of border crossing closures in southeastern Finland.

​​​​​​​Thus, according to the statistics of the district courts of Karelia, 236 decisions on violation of migration laws were made in the region in November. Almost all of them fell within the period from November 16 to the beginning of December. In the first two weeks of November, according to court statistics, there were no such cases.

A similar situation is observed in Leningrad and Murmansk regions, which also border Finland.

Human rights activists told the BBC about several cases of refugees from Iraq and Somalia being recruited for the war. According to them, the Russian authorities managed to recruit dozens of foreigners.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/cy72zdy47qlo
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More and more wives and mothers speaking up is a good sign. That was a contributing factor for the SU getting out of Afghanistan. Vlad is very well aware of it. He cannot afford to alienate them.
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https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ecember-7-2023

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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 7, 2023

Russian forces may be suffering losses along the entire front in Ukraine at a rate close to the rate at which Russia is currently generating new forces.

Ukrainian Ground Forces Command Spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Volodymyr Fityo stated on December 7 that Russian forces lost almost 11,000 personnel (presumably killed or rendered hors de combat by injury) in the Kupyansk, Lyman, and Bakhmut directions in November 2023.

The operational tempo in the Kupyansk, Lyman, and Bakhmut directions is currently lower than in the Avdiivka direction. These reported losses suggest that the Russian casualty rate in the Avdiivka area may be even higher given the higher operational tempo there.

Ukrainian officials previously reported that Russian forces lost 5,000 personnel killed and wounded near Avdiivka and Marinka (west of Donetsk City) between October 10 and 26, when Russian forces launched two waves of heavily mechanized assaults to capture Avdiivka. Russian forces are currently conducting mass infantry-led assaults to capture Avdiivka in an apparent effort to conserve armored vehicles despite the risk of even greater manpower losses.

Ukrainian officials have notably indicated that Russian defensive efforts are resulting in significant casualties as well, with Ukrainian forces reportedly killing over 1,200 Russian personnel and wounding over 2,200 on the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast between October 17 and November 17. Ukrainian forces continue counteroffensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast and are likely inflicting similar losses on defending Russian forces in this sector of the front.

ISW cannot confirm Ukrainian-provided Russian casualty figures, and reliable figures for Russian casualties in Ukraine are not available. If the Ukrainian-provided figures are generally accurate they suggest that Russian operations in Ukraine are highly attritional overall and that high Russian losses are not just the result of the costliest Russian offensive operations near Avdiivka.

Russian and Ukrainian officials have reported that Russian crypto-mobilization efforts produce roughly 20,000 to 40,000 personnel a month, a rate that could be lower than Russia’s current casualty rate in Ukraine. Ukrainian officials reported in spring and summer 2023 that Russia recruits roughly 20,000 personnel through crypto-mobilization efforts per month.

Ukrainian officials have reported that the Russian force grouping along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast front has roughly not changed since summer 2023, suggesting that the commitment of new personnel to the area is offsetting Russian losses but not increasing the strength of that grouping. ….

Russian operations in Ukraine recently prompted the Russian military command to rush newly created and understrength formations to Ukraine to reinforce sectors of the front, impeding longer-term efforts to form operational and strategic reserves and restructure the Russian ground forces.

Both recruiting and casualty figures likely fluctuate over the course of the year, and all available figures are likely exaggerated. The reported numbers match observed battlefield conditions, however, as well as other Ukrainian reports that the Russian military has only been able to sustain its current manning level in Ukraine despite its reportedly high numbers of new recruits.

High Russian casualties will likely prevent Russian forces from fully replenishing and reconstituting existing units in Ukraine and forming new operational and strategic reserves if Russian force generation efforts continue at current rates while the Russian military continues operations.

Russia does appear able to continue absorbing such losses and making them good with new recruits, however, as long as President Vladimir Putin is willing and able to absorb the domestic consequences.
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“If the mountain won’t come to Mohammed, Mohammed must go to the mountain”….


https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-...on-of-weapons/

Ukraine, US sign statement of intent on co-production of weapons

Ukrainian and U.S. officials signed a statement of intent on the co-production of critical weapons and data exchange between the two countries "to address the urgent needs of Ukraine's armed forces," the Pentagon reported.

The document entails that Ukraine will receive the capabilities necessary for its short-term success on the battlefield, long-term economic recovery, and strengthening of the defense sector, according to Ukraine's Presidential Office.

One of the key priorities outlined in the statement is the localization of the defense industry in Ukraine, the office wrote.

The agreement between Kyiv and Washington will reportedly contribute to the construction of production facilities in Ukraine to supply the military with arms, in particular air defense equipment and ammunition, as well as repair and maintenance services.

The U.S. Department of Defense and industry partners will provide Ukraine with technical data to start implementing local projects aimed at improving outdated air defense systems in Ukraine's arsenal by integrating Western munitions, reads the office's report.

"The parallel production of these systems in Ukraine and the U.S. will enable speeding up their deployment and help our country maintain air defense in a combat condition."

Presidential Office head Andriy Yermak called the document "the foundation for the future of our military industry complex and the strengthening of Ukraine's defense for years to come."

The statement of intent was signed at the Ukraine Defense Industrial Base Conference that took place in Washington D.C., on Dec. 5-6.

The conference brought together 350 U.S. and Ukrainian industry and government representatives to discuss ideas to enhance Ukraine's defense capabilities.

The event took place amid increasing uncertainty over the U.S.'s further assistance to Ukraine.

Republicans in the U.S. Senate blocked a supplemental funding bill that combined $61 billion in aid for Ukraine with assistance for Israel and Taiwan in a procedural vote held on Dec. 6.

Earlier the same day, the U.S. announced a $175 million defense aid package for Ukraine from previously directed drawdowns, in what Secretary of State Antony Blinken said would be one of the last military aid packages to Ukraine if Congress fails to pass additional funding.

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Russian soldiers desecrating dead Ukrainian soldiers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...f_the_russian/
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Interesting Russian Diet.

That's not going to do him much good.

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That's not going to do him much good.

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Russia. 2nd greatest power on that snow covered field.
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