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Old 9th Dec 2023, 20:57
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Australian F18s and coal.

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iIt appears the North Korean ammunition that is being provided to Russia is not that good, infact piss poor.



https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1733371358443151581
Whatever North Korea may lack in Quality Control, I'm sure it more than makes up for in its HR counselling and employee career development.

​​​​​​​As the relevant production managers are about to discover.
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Germany stepping up to the plate again.

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250 artillery rounds...... it will all be over by Christmas.

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Soviet union, 1983, people queuing for eggs....
no, wait, sorry: Russia, 2023, people queuing for eggs.
Some say the sanctions don't work and ruble is strong.


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Not seen this Russian equipment before. Easy target though..

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A high-ranking Russian helicopter pilot with the call sign "Bes" was murdered in Voronezh on Friday after someone fired 7 bullets at him while he was standing at a bus stop.

This information was revealed by the Russian "Fighterbomber" channel, and although officials attempted to cover the story up, Fighterbomber confirmed this morning that Bes had died in hospital from his wounds.

This pilot not only took part in the bombing of Ukrainian cities, he was also passing his experience to student pilots.


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https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0231208-p5eq2b

Lapsed contract could deliver Aussie fighter jets to Ukraine

Ukraine is pleading with the Albanese government for a regular supply of coal as Russia lobs intense attacks on its electricity grid, and will soon make a fresh request for the RAAF’s retired F/A-18 fighter jets after a deal to transfer them to an American company lapsed.

Amid stalemates on the battlefield and in US Congress for further funding of the war effort, Ukrainian defence officials this week included the 1980s-era F/A-18 Hornets as one of the weapons they wanted in top level talks with American counterparts.

AFR Weekend understands Ukraine’s defence ministry has resolved to make a request for Australia’s retired 41 Hornets, which have languished at Williamtown RAAF base since 2021.

Defence Minister Richard Marles, who said in July transferring the aircraft was “complicated”, was non-committal when asked about a fresh approach.

“Australia remains steadfast in its commitment to support Ukraine’s defence against Russia’s illegal and immoral war,” Mr Marles’ spokeswoman said. “Australia continues to work with the government of Ukraine to determine what support we can provide to enable Ukraine to end this conflict on its own terms.”

Ukrainian ambassador to Australia Vasyl Myroshnychenko last week wrote to Foreign Minister Penny Wong asking for fresh coal shipments ahead of the freezing northern hemisphere winter.

Mr Myroshnychenko has told the government and MPs from both major parties that coal is not a “lifestyle choice” for Ukraine and Russia wants to “finish off” his homeland’s civilian population by crippling its ability to keep its population warm when heavy snow can see temperatures plunge to minus 10 degrees.

The Morrison government donated a one-off shipment of 70,000 tonnes of coal last year. Mr Myroshnychenko argues his country needs a year-round supply because Ukraine is now relying heavily on coal-fired power generation because Russia captured its major nuclear power station and destroyed much of its hydroelectric production.

“We have to survive this winter,” Mr Myroshnychenko told AFR Weekend. “Russia is ramping up its attacks on our energy system and this will be a tough winter for us.”

Senator Wong will consider the coal request, as Ukraine’s energy ministry this week urged residents to save power after Russian shelling damaged a power station near the frontline, resulting in a “temporary shortage of electricity”.

Senior United Nations figures this week told the Security Council that Russia’s attacks on civilian infrastructure most stop amid “staggering” levels of deaths and destruction. “Many people have been left without access to heat, electricity and water, particularly in the east and south,” UN humanitarian co-ordinator Ramesh Rajasingham said.

Mr Myroshnychenko is continuing to press Australia for more Bushmaster armoured troop carriers – 120 have been promised so far – as well as drones and counter-drone technology and de-mining equipment.

But at a meeting between Ukrainian and US defence officials in Washington this week, Kyiv put forward an extensive list of equipment it wants, including air defence systems, helicopters and F/A-18s, according to documents cited by Reuters.

Ukraine’s request comes despite US congressional Republicans blocking the White House’s request for a fresh tranche of $US50 billion ($76 billion) in aid.

Talks between Australian, US and Ukrainian officials to sell Australia’s retired Hornets stalled earlier this year, in part because of the decision to prioritise acquiring F-16 fighter jets instead.

An American aviation company, RAVN, was given the rights to dispose of the aircraft, and initially looked at moving them to the US to be used as “enemy” planes in training exercises.

RAVN’s contract to dispose of the planes lapsed this month, leaving the federal government fully back in charge of their fate. The planes are slated for destruction if they cannot be sold or transferred.

A condition report identified 14 of the 41 airframes in the best condition that could be readied within four to six months to make them airworthy and squeeze another two years of life out of them.
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A destroyed Russian Grad looks almost like a piece of art.

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Drones verse’s Russian troops, they just do not have a chance when caught out in the open.

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"About 3.5 thousand trucks are in queues in Poland in the direction of Ukraine", — DPSU.
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UFO’s are forcing Russia to put overhead defences on their trench lines.

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A Russian pilot discussing the Shahed drones, re-engineering with a jet engine, 3x faster, better nav, larger payload.

But a lot are commenting can it withstand the higher speeds and it negates the idea of a cheap drone.

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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Drones verse’s Russian troops, they just do not have a chance when caught out in the open.

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Very impressive, but is it cost-effective?
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Consider the alternatives such as close engagement with small arms on the one hand an indirect fire on the other, The former may be cheaper in terms of ammunition but you risk casualties you can ill afford. the latter is probably more expensive/kill if this is a one hit, one or more kills system.
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Very impressive, but is it cost-effective?
A modern army spends money on tech, not on lives. If it saved one Ukrainian life then yes it's cost effective.
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Watching this thread from day one it would appear the Russians are now dug in hard and the battles we are seeing are just skirmishes.
Ukraine has the occasional major success like hitting a sub but when it comes to the ground offensive Russia seems to be throwing more and more meat into the grinder just to slow everything down into a war of bloody attrition.
I get the feeling this war will be ongoing for many more years to come.
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A modern army spends money on tech, not on lives. If it saved one Ukrainian life then yes it's cost effective.
It’s also possible that some of these are not random targets of opportunity but intelligence driven attacks on individuals or groups of particular importance.
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The Russian version of pass the parcel.

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Two linked threads… Assuming we are determined t9 support Ukraine that is,,,,

Putin doesn’t sound like a man who’s interested in a negotiated peace in Ukraine:

“They’re running out [of weapons]… They don’t have anything, they have no future. But we do have a future.”

(This is a newly released clip from his Kremlin awards ceremony for troops on Friday)

BAE systems in the UK will be capable of producing more than 1.5 million large caliber artillery shells annually in the near future. This is a significant increase vs my estimates a few months ago as I have now been able to find the pre war production levels.

Pre war BAE was making 16,000 large caliber shells per month. And like I reported in July BAE publicly released their plan to 8x large caliber artillery shell production. Which would put them at around 128,000 a month or 1.5 million per year.

This is possible because the Washington plant is very new and extremely modern. Having just opened in 2012-2013 when most U.S plants have parts that date back to WW2. BAE Washington had 14 ultra modern machines with separate control rooms and extremely automated processes.

And Is likely among the most efficient 155mm production facility’s on the planet. It can be almost certain that the plant has continually been improved and added on to with a rapid surge in demand and plans to 8x production.

​​​​​​​I also have it on good authority after speaking to some people familiar with forging that a similar amount of 155mm and 105mm can be made in the same time frame by the same processes. So like in other plants around the world it would likely be easy to switch completely to 155mm.…
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