Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Russian Mi-8 landed at the Ukrainian airfield in Poltava ...
Russians sa6 an ccident and crew killed/wounded.
Ukraine says the pilot defected…
A Russian pilot of a Mi-8 AMTSH defected with his helicopter to Ukraine few weeks ago. The chopper was transporting spare parts for Su-27 and Su-30M fighter jets. The operation was coordinated with the Ukrainian intelligence. The other 2 crew members of the Mi-8 were killed after the chopper landed somewhere in Kharkiv. The family of the Russian pilot was brought to safety.
Chopper and spare parts now in possession of the Ukrainian forces.
Source (Ukrainian) of story and picture:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2023/08/23/7416758/
Russians sa6 an ccident and crew killed/wounded.
Ukraine says the pilot defected…
A Russian pilot of a Mi-8 AMTSH defected with his helicopter to Ukraine few weeks ago. The chopper was transporting spare parts for Su-27 and Su-30M fighter jets. The operation was coordinated with the Ukrainian intelligence. The other 2 crew members of the Mi-8 were killed after the chopper landed somewhere in Kharkiv. The family of the Russian pilot was brought to safety.
Chopper and spare parts now in possession of the Ukrainian forces.
Source (Ukrainian) of story and picture:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2023/08/23/7416758/
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Following Ukraine’s systematic attacks on key infrastructure and supply lines to Crimea, Russia is beginning to show signs its working
Yesterday Russian government asked hotels etc to report generator, battery and fuel stocks.
Via @JanR210 < follow this account 1/n……
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Thread focused on Crimea, but fuel shortages also further east…
No petrol (gas/benzine A-92) in the city of Donetsk (Rostov Oblast, see map, it is not the famous one). The chain stations Lukoil, Fortuna, Gazprom Neft are empty.
Source: 🇷🇺 admin head Roman Kurayev (Роман Кураев). Only privileged vehicles may tank the fuel.
Yesterday Russian government asked hotels etc to report generator, battery and fuel stocks.
Via @JanR210 < follow this account 1/n……
10/n 10
Thread focused on Crimea, but fuel shortages also further east…
No petrol (gas/benzine A-92) in the city of Donetsk (Rostov Oblast, see map, it is not the famous one). The chain stations Lukoil, Fortuna, Gazprom Neft are empty.
Source: 🇷🇺 admin head Roman Kurayev (Роман Кураев). Only privileged vehicles may tank the fuel.
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I reported that days ago, apparently Russia is selling the oil abroad to raise much needed foreign currency, which they then use to buy Rubles in an attempt to shore up their currency, that is leading to the shortages.
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Movement and defence on the Ulrainian front line.
This puts the distances in context the distances from the front line to the Sea of Azov, as it says, if the Russian line collapses things could move rapidly.
This puts the distances in context the distances from the front line to the Sea of Azov, as it says, if the Russian line collapses things could move rapidly.
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More on the possibly defecting helicopter and crew.
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In that drone film two posts before this, I can see two arms extending forward ending in rings that come close but don't touch. Am I correct in assuming this is the detonation mechanism - a bit like TILT on a pinball machine; it flies into something, those two rings touch, complete an electrical circuit and cause the detonation?
They seem to move around a lot in flight
They seem to move around a lot in flight
Not so sure about that. I don't think Ukraine have anything to big enough to drop these bridge spans, even if you could get +/- 1m accuracy to hit these bearing supports at one end.
Gonna need large air drop LGB munitions or a proper sapper dems team to drop these buggers.
Gonna need large air drop LGB munitions or a proper sapper dems team to drop these buggers.
Set the height of a horizontal approach with a laser distance gauge corrected for the tide and average the height to account for moderate waves and you have a 30m wide target at the top and 60m wide target in the middle.
Movement and defence on the Ulrainian front line.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1693509752435966115
This puts the distances in context the distances from the front line to the Sea of Azov, as it says, if the Russian line collapses things could move rapidly.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1693509752435966115
This puts the distances in context the distances from the front line to the Sea of Azov, as it says, if the Russian line collapses things could move rapidly.
Maybe Ukraine are looking a few years beyond now, and are planning to stop importing anything/everything that is (in their view) vital for their defence.
Ukraine is a perfectly capable aerospace manufacturer. And Saab / Sweden might want additional airframe/etc manufacturing capacity. not just AFV capacity.
Ukraine is a perfectly capable aerospace manufacturer. And Saab / Sweden might want additional airframe/etc manufacturing capacity. not just AFV capacity.
FWIW: early report of a small maritime engagement, not as yet confirmed:
Originally Posted by an MSN news feed
... the Kremlin reports the destruction of Ukrainian boats in the Black Sea:
“On August 22, at around 11:00 a.m. Moscow time (10:00 a.m. CEST), a Russian army aircraft destroyed a U.S.-made Willard Sea Force fast patrol boat with a Ukrainian landing party on board east of Snake Island,” fr.de quotes the Russian Defense Ministry. This information comes from a party to the conflict and has not yet been independently verified / confirmed. For this reason, the report must be evaluated with reservations.
“On August 22, at around 11:00 a.m. Moscow time (10:00 a.m. CEST), a Russian army aircraft destroyed a U.S.-made Willard Sea Force fast patrol boat with a Ukrainian landing party on board east of Snake Island,” fr.de quotes the Russian Defense Ministry. This information comes from a party to the conflict and has not yet been independently verified / confirmed. For this reason, the report must be evaluated with reservations.
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So as the Helicopter and pilot defected this will come into play?
https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ots-to-defect/
Ukraine’s largest defense contractor has put up big bounties for Russian aircraft, payable to the pilots that fly them. Ukroboronprom, a state company based in Kyiv, has promised to pay up to $1 million in U.S. dollars for fighter jets and $500,000 for helicopters. In the past, various governments have tried to use the allure of fast cash to bait pilots to switch sides during a conflict—a tempting offer for pilots who don’t make much money, and may not agree with their government’s policies. But that history is dotted with mixed results.
Further, the statement notes that Russian pilots must “surrender to Ukrainian authorities along with the military hardware.” Recognizing that a Russian pilot who delivers their aircraft to enemy hands may have a rough time re-assimilating into the private sector, Gusev said in his original Facebook post that Ukroboronprom will “guarantee the issuance of citizenship of a free country to Russian pilots ready to participate in the program!” The free country is implied to be Ukraine. The citizenship offer is notably absent from the post on Ukroboronprom’s website.
Further, the statement notes that Russian pilots must “surrender to Ukrainian authorities along with the military hardware.” Recognizing that a Russian pilot who delivers their aircraft to enemy hands may have a rough time re-assimilating into the private sector, Gusev said in his original Facebook post that Ukroboronprom will “guarantee the issuance of citizenship of a free country to Russian pilots ready to participate in the program!” The free country is implied to be Ukraine. The citizenship offer is notably absent from the post on Ukroboronprom’s website.
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It looks like Ukraine would like Finlands soon to be retired F-18's
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/23/7416790/
Worthy read
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/e...08/21/7167895/
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/23/7416790/
Worthy read
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/e...08/21/7167895/
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- Snake Island is a rocky outcrop less than one square kilometer in size but of huge geostrategic significance to the Black Sea and beyond.
- Military control of the island and surrounding waters affects all shipping routes connecting Ukraine to the rest of the world through the Black Sea, as well as those linking continental Europe to the Black Sea basin through the Danube.
- Russia occupied the island on day one of its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Control has been fiercely contested ever since, with Russian troops eventually withdrawing on June 30. 1
- Russia may try to seize the island again as a bargaining chip just before a cease-fire. This would have game-changing military and economic consequences for both Ukraine and NATO.
- Keeping the territory under Ukrainian control is essential for maintaining global grain supplies, for the future exploitation of energy reserves in surrounding waters, and for wider regional security.
- NATO allies should continue to support Ukraine to enhance its coastal defenses and protect the island with anti-ship Harpoon missiles, anti-aircraft Stinger weapons, and sophisticated radars and integrated command and control systems.
It looks like Ukraine would like Finlands soon to be retired F-18's
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/23/7416790/
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/23/7416790/
What would be the benefit of transferring them, and training aircrews and maintenance crews, for aircraft that may soon be not airworthy?
As with the F-16, there's also the time that must be devoted to training before they can be employed in combat ops.
As much as I like the Hornet, I think the Viper is the better choice.
Then again, the longer I look at it the more I think Grippen (particularly if locally built under license) might be an even better answer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66590916
and Gen Sergei Surovikin, has reportedly lost his job as air force chief after weeks of speculation about his disappearance from public view.
Ria Novosti agency said he had been relieved of his post, citing a source.
and Gen Sergei Surovikin, has reportedly lost his job as air force chief after weeks of speculation about his disappearance from public view.
Ria Novosti agency said he had been relieved of his post, citing a source.
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