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Old 18th Aug 2023, 17:39
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
F-16 training set to begin near the end of August.



https://twitter.com/ZMiST_Ua/status/1692559274856112468
We dragged our feet approving the training and provision of F-16s and drag our feet following through. Expect more foot dragging while the offensive drags and drags.
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 17:43
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Have to agree with you GlobalNav, I was surprised that training wasn't already underway. The foot dragging appears to be timed to perfection. .
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You do not even need a drone to spread chaos.

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Why is `osint` posting LAT/LONG POSITIONS fffFFS...????
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Washington Post: US intel says Ukraine will not achieve key offensive goal this year

Ukrainian troops are unlikely to be able to reach Melitopol due to extensive system of Russian minefields and trenches
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/08/...oal-this-year/


No Sh*t, and whose fault would that be….. Oh wait, Washingtons!
I firmly believed NATO was a multi national organisation not an extension of Americas power to bend and follow the will of sleepy Joe.
The one thing Russia recognises is strength and that’s been lacking from the west.

The whole effort IMHO has been an exercise in how not to support a war, it took other Countries to deliver tanks to get the US to commit and even then they still haven’t got their “game changer” (their words) M1A1, that i feel is no better than the latest versions of the Challenger / Leopard variants. Before that, heals were dragged over artillery, ammunition such as cluster and long range munitions etc.

And do not get me started on the current fiasco, the US berating the slow counter offensive, a counter offensive slowed by the intransigence of the US to supply the weapons needed, slowing the NATO supply by almost vetoing it, so much so that the supply of armour and tanks, modern fighters and the long range weapons requested have meant the counter offensive has been delayed, delays that have allowed Russia to amass supplies in Country and dig and prepare mined and well constructed defences, defences that Ukrainians are spilling their blood on and wouldn’t have been in place if the weapons requested were delivered when asked for. The they would not have had the prepared defences in place, the bridge would have been down and the Russians would have been on the run. In a way I feel the moment has passed.
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 21:35
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Originally Posted by sycamore
Why is `osint` posting LAT/LONG POSITIONS fffFFS...????
Perhaps he is NOB ( Not Overly Bright ) “Look how smart I am! See what I figured out all by myself.”
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 22:43
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Major fire at Novorossiysk, interested to know how it started…
The Novorossiysk 🇷🇺 Port’s cargo fire cannot be controlled.

It appears things are exploding (turn on audio).

I am betting soon we will learn that the 🇷🇺 military was transporting weapons from the port.

​​​​​​​Russia's having a bad day. First a drone hits Moscow, then #Ukraine's flag raised over a Russian city & now its major Black Sea export & naval port of Novorossiysk is on fire - same place 🇺🇦 almost sunk a naval ship recently. Standby for more Medvedev drunken nuclear outrage 🤪.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Major fire at Novorossiysk, interested to know how it started…


The Novorossiysk 🇷🇺 Port’s cargo fire cannot be controlled.

It appears things are exploding (turn on audio).

I am betting soon we will learn that the 🇷🇺 military was transporting weapons from the port.





​​​​​​​Russia's having a bad day. First a drone hits Moscow, then #Ukraine's flag raised over a Russian city & now its major Black Sea export & naval port of Novorossiysk is on fire - same place 🇺🇦 almost sunk a naval ship recently. Standby for more Medvedev drunken nuclear outrage 🤪.
Well, in for a penny in for a pound. Now's the time to pile it on.
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 00:13
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This is what I worry about, Russia is starting to ramp up production in all areas, the defences they have built are bleeding Ukraine dry, the counter offensive delays have increased those problems exponentially, gone are the times where Ukraine can rapidly advance from the likes of Kharkiv to Lyman. I do hope they can make a breakthrough and drop those damned bridges.


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Originally Posted by NutLoose
This is what I worry about, Russia is starting to ramp up production in all areas, the defences they have built are bleeding Ukraine dry, the counter offensive delays have increased those problems exponentially, gone are the times where Ukraine can rapidly advance from the likes of Kharkiv to Lyman. I do hope they can make a breakthrough and drop those damned bridges.
Saying RuSSia is ramping up production in all areas from a report that they are putting out more drones than before with the continued assistance of Iran, is possibly a fairly tenuously supported position. The ruble has had every lever pulled to keep it up so the inmates of the asylum Vlad oversees don't puke into their vodka bottle while having breakfast, those levers have been bent to the stops and the economy continues to be welcomed back to the dark ages. Seepage though the sanctions is continuing to occur, but the buffer to the population that adore Vlad has been exhausted, as has a fair chunk of his military capability built since Gorby was boss. The stuff that has been spectacularly lost is the stuff that RuSSia is trying to foist in arms sales to the rest of the impoverished world, who have been given a great lesson in the capabilities of 'gators and Ivan yadayadas survival when faced with MANPADS and drones of various flavours. Equally, Ukraine and RuSSia have taught lessons to all concerned on the benefits and limitations of drones etc, and the defensive systems to those.

Ukraine does need more air defence capability against drones, they are taking out a lot of them, but they need more protection yet, and sure, RuSSia will continue with their program of attacking civilians, as they always do, so as targeting civilians deliberately is nowadays classified as a war crime, how about our own leaders getting serious about supporting Ukraine in defense of their civilian populations. RuSSia has no place at present in any international community organisation, the recent attack by a Wagner "soldier" committing murder on a train in RuSSia is an apt metaphor for Vlad and his minions, if the wholesale ransacking of the RuSSian sovereign wealth by him and his minions is added as an aside.

RuSSia's vector remains as before, Titanic like.
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Hence the forced passports

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Hence the forced passports



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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Russians plan to force residents of Russian occupied territories to join the armies of the Russian occupiers as combatants against the armies that fraught to oppose the invasion of the Russian occupiers. I'm getting really confused.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Russians plan to force residents of Russian occupied territories to join the armies of the Russian occupiers as combatants against the armies that fraught to oppose the invasion of the Russian occupiers. I'm getting really confused.
and that is two distinctly separate war crimes... apart from murdering their own citizens to keep Vlad off the pavement, gotta hand it to Vlad that he knows how to make a headline.
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Video shows it to be from a drone strike - presumably based on good intel….

In occupied Energodar, there was an explosion in the building where the heads of the occupation police were meeting

As a result of the explosion, the so-called head of the city department, Colonel Pavel Chesanov of the Russian Interior Ministry, his "deputy" in charge of operational work, the "head" of the investigation department, the "head" of the duty unit and the "heads" of a number of departments were hospitalized.

The occupiers were evacuated by military helicopters to the territory of Russia. The building itself, which was used as a dormitory for law enforcers, was significantly destroyed from the 3rd to the 5th floors.
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Close up view of the damage the sea drone caused to the vessel Sig. I've no expertise on ships but seems pretty bad.


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Originally Posted by NutLoose
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/08/...oal-this-year/


No Sh*t, and whose fault would that be….. Oh wait, Washingtons!
I firmly believed NATO was a multi national organisation not an extension of Americas power to bend and follow the will of sleepy Joe.
You are being both naive and unrealistic. In recognition of its place as the strongest member -and gretest contributor - the US ALWAYS provides the military commander who has POTUS as his National Command. Its commitment in supplying large numbers of troops/materiel in Europe for eight decades - including periods when UK, France, Canada had eliminated their bases/manpower - has been exemplary , but not without criticism at home. No member is simply going to just pay up their dues without making their thoughts about the actions known: in the case of Ukraine there is no recognised contribution that any country has to make, and some have given very little, whereas the US has once again been the largest contributor, and that to an extent that dramatically exceeds a pure per capita measure.

From my own standpoint I do in fact share your opinions, but have to recognise that I am reacting to personal emotion and with no access to the kind of information that is needed to drive strategic policy influencing more than a billion people.
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Ukraine needs the F16s, now. The F16s can take the fight behind the front lines and really tear up the rear and achieve aerial dominance. Without the F16s UKR is forced to slog yard and yard through prepared defences, which sttritionally speaking is the worse way to fight. UKR needs mobility and the ability to jump around and this is what the option the F16s provide. It's almost like watching Warsaw at the end of WW2 where Stalin deliberately delayed sending help just so the Poles and the Germans would wipe each out and he can walk into a city devoid of fighters, Static slogging favours the Russians not the Ukrainians,
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Usual caveats:

"The head of the SBU, Gen. Vasily Malyuk, just released a bit of extra information about the Ukrainian VBIED attack targeting the Crimean Bridge last year. In total, 21 tons of RDX high explosive was plastic wrapped in palletized cylinders to avoid detection."





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