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China recruits former British military pilots

Old 23rd Oct 2022, 23:18
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Whilst we’re on the subject of Chinese hegemony, why are we even allowing Tik Tok to function in UK ? Or elsewhere in the Western world. A social media platform bombarding us with advert based ****e about concerned parental and content filters and yet owned by a Beijing company that prevents its own citizens from accessing it ? We’re our own worst enemies.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 01:44
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Will the training pilots get fancy leather flight jackets like the pilots that flew the hump in WW2 ? Maybe real silk lining ?
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 02:37
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Perhaps we could go back earlier in time and give them leather jackets as worn by Chennaults Flying Tigers when flying for Chiang Kai-shek against the Japanese.



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Old 24th Oct 2022, 08:46
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"Whilst we’re on the subject of Chinese hegemony, why are we even allowing Tik Tok to function in UK"

because there is no alternative and the kids - who are tomorrows voters- love it?

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Old 24th Oct 2022, 09:41
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Whilst we’re on the subject of Chinese hegemony, why are we even allowing Tik Tok to function in UK"

because there is no alternative and the kids - who are tomorrows voters- love it?

That explains a lot. !!!
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 15:50
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00:00, Sun, Oct 23, 2022 | UPDATED: 00:00, Sun, Oct 23, 2022
...double bluff ? Moles?
Former RAF pilots who went to China to train its air force stole secrets for Britain | World | News | Express.co.uk
Despite mounting concerns in Whitehall, the Government was powerless to end the training scheme because no laws had been broken. But British security agencies did not just sit idly by, sources claim.

In an astounding double-bluff, they approached a small group of these Western pilots who had already signed up for £240,000 contracts and asked them to "wear two hats", sources claim.

The pilots, from a mix of nationalities, were not trained intelligence officers. But, despite being retired from the service for many years, those who were approached agreed to help.
A source described how the UK had "played China at its own game” - and won.
“This was a rather unprecedented situation," he added, confirming that all assets had now left China and the operation was closed.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 20:04
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Worth a read.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/1...C5jT_DyUdhjrA0
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Stratofreighter
...double bluff ? Moles?
Interesting, but I'll take a grain of salt with that.
Were it a mole operation, I suspect that the (various) UK security services would not be letting that cat out of the bag.
Also, wouldn't that paint a bullseye on the back of every one of them still in China?
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 20:48
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With all due respect, no, it's really not.

Quelle suprise, an article published by a decidedly right-wing libertarian leaning website, from a right-wing libertarian 'comedian' can be summed up as; "...it's all the fault of woke people, as a result it's only fair that they sell their knowledge to the highest bidder, regardless of who the highest bidder is..."

The fact the government knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing isn't a green light to play "what's good for the goose..." The knowledge/skills these pilots are providing to the Chinese could/will cost something far more valuable than money. It could very well cost the lives of their former colleagues.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 21:58
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Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker
With all due respect, no, it's really not.


Quelle suprise, an article published by a decidedly right-wing libertarian leaning website, from a right-wing libertarian 'comedian' can be summed up as; "...it's all the fault of woke people, as a result it's only fair that they sell their knowledge to the highest bidder, regardless of who the highest bidder is..."


The fact the government knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing isn't a green light to play "what's good for the goose..." The knowledge/skills these pilots are providing to the Chinese could/will cost something far more valuable than money. It could very well cost the lives of their former colleagues.


Just another point of view..I don't personally agree with all of it, yet the sentiment of some of it I get. The beauty of it all is that we can agree to disagree. Simples.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 23:51
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I wonder how many of the UK pers who are relatively relaxed about this, would be as relaxed if members of other 5 eyes nations were performing contract flying training with the Russians at the height of the Cold War….

While it is undoubtedly true that conditions of service in the RAF have degraded over time, this doesn’t justify what has occurred. Denials such as “we handed over nothing tactical” is frankly, not the point. If you make their flying training and/or flight testing more efficient and effective, you’re eroding a western edge against people who the the international community (including the UK, witness where the carrier and recent Typhoon deployments have ended up) may soon end up in a fight.
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Old 25th Oct 2022, 10:23
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I wonder if this arrest is related.

“A former US military pilot and flight instructor who worked in China was arrested in Australia and faces extradition to the United States, court documents and company records show.”


Australian Federal Police arrested Daniel Edmund Duggan, 54, on Friday in the rural town of Orange in New South Wales, and he appeared in court there on the same day, according to his lawyer and court records”.“Mr Duggan moved to Australia after a decade in the US military and started a business called Top Gun Tasmania, hiring former US and British military pilots to offer tourists joy-rides in fighter jets, company records show and aviation sources confirmed.

Mr Duggan also flew ex-military aircraft in Australian air shows, three pilots told Reuters.

Top Gun Tasmania's website said Mr Duggan flew Harrier jump jets in the US Marines and was an air combat instructor.

He moved to Beijing in 2014 and soon after sold Top Gun Tasmania, filings in Australia for the company show.“

Mr Duggan's LinkedIn profile said he has been working in Qingdao, China, since 2017 as the managing director of AVIBIZ Limited, described as "a comprehensive aviation consultancy company with a focus on the fast-growing and dynamic Chinese Aviation Industry".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...tral/101576378

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Old 25th Oct 2022, 14:18
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I did some “contract” flying in a former Soviet country shortly after the Russians left (and took the windows, frames and all - and the toilet pans) and was able to gain a valuable insight into the Soviet Air Force doctrine. It would not have been as hard as we once thought - as has recently been proven.

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Originally Posted by Cloudee
I wonder if this arrest is related.

“A former US military pilot and flight instructor who worked in China was arrested in Australia and faces extradition to the United States, court documents and company records show.”


Australian Federal Police arrested Daniel Edmund Duggan, 54, on Friday in the rural town of Orange in New South Wales, and he appeared in court there on the same day, according to his lawyer and court records”.“Mr Duggan moved to Australia after a decade in the US military and started a business called Top Gun Tasmania, hiring former US and British military pilots to offer tourists joy-rides in fighter jets, company records show and aviation sources confirmed.

Mr Duggan also flew ex-military aircraft in Australian air shows, three pilots told Reuters.

Top Gun Tasmania's website said Mr Duggan flew Harrier jump jets in the US Marines and was an air combat instructor.

He moved to Beijing in 2014 and soon after sold Top Gun Tasmania, filings in Australia for the company show.“

Mr Duggan's LinkedIn profile said he has been working in Qingdao, China, since 2017 as the managing director of AVIBIZ Limited, described as "a comprehensive aviation consultancy company with a focus on the fast-growing and dynamic Chinese Aviation Industry".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...tral/101576378
Intersting. He used to fly a CJ6A Nanchang chinese trainer at Top Gun Tasmania.
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Old 26th Oct 2022, 01:44
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More info here from The Drive/The War Zone, a very informative and interesting site:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-been-arrested
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Old 26th Oct 2022, 09:08
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A few worrying recent headlines concerning Chinese influence in UK.
I think that the same is happening in NZ, Australia and Africa and elsewhere?

Should we really be allowing our most skilled ex RAF pilots to train a potential enemy??

The biggest surprise in Thursday’s security warning about a Chinese agent seeking to influence British politicians is that it came as a surprise at all. The Chinese Communist Party operates a vast and growing influence operation in Britain, which has pretty much been allowed free rein!

How the Chinese government is buying its way into UK universities.From funding professorships to censoring students, the Chinese state has more influence on British educational establishments than we realise.

In 2019, China and the UK collaborated on 16,267 research papers – up from around 750 in 2000. This amounts to around 11 per cent of the UK’s research output now including Chinese authors – up from just 1 per cent 20 years ago, as indexed in the Web of ScienceTM global citation index

In recent years Britain has gone all-in on Chinese students. More than 140,000 are enrolled in undergraduate or postgraduate courses, up 50% from five years ago.

In 2021, China was the UK's largest import partner and sixth-largest export partner for goods.The UK imported £63.6 billion of goods from China in 2021 (13.3% of all goods imports to the UK) and exported £18.8 billion of goods (5.8% of all goods exports from the UK
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Old 26th Oct 2022, 15:13
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Looks like the US is going after an ex-Marine Harrier pilot in Australia for the same thing.

Former U.S. fighter pilot who worked in China arrested in Australia (msn.com)
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China don’t really need to invade the U.K. because we’re allowing them to buy it.
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Old 26th Oct 2022, 17:18
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China don’t really need to invade the U.K. because we’re allowing them to buy it.
Just take a look at the number of port facilities the PRC ( or their proxies ) own.
Felixstowe. In entirety. Piraeus.
Colombo. Darwin. Incredibly short sighted.
At least Rishi is moving on the Confucius Institutes.
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Old 27th Oct 2022, 09:33
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OK - the Chinese own Felixstowe - so what happens if they decide to turn it over to the PLA (N). There are probably half a dozen Chinese there - the local police force just turn up and take it off them.
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