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Old 28th Nov 2022, 23:05
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Originally Posted by stevef
I used to work with an ex-RAF corporal. His surname was Sargent. Nothing to do with the Red Arrows but I thought it worth a mention.
Apologies for the continued drift, but there was a Sgt Sargent* at RAFAT a few years ago!
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 09:28
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My M-i-L's next door neighbour was in the RN, not commissioned.
His name was Staines.
He served on RY Britannia.

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Old 17th Dec 2022, 18:31
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Still running saga in the Times, apparently another former Red Arrows pilot forced his way into a female officers hotel room and only left when she screamed, he left the forces several years ago and is accused of getting drunk the night before the air show.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...room-wx272d5rn. (Behind firewall)
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Old 17th Dec 2022, 19:29
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According to the Times report the pilot in question was “blacklisted from the RAF”. What on earth does that mean?
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Old 17th Dec 2022, 19:37
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Barred from joining the Party Squadron?

Perhaps he has some residual value after all the money spent training him?
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Old 17th Dec 2022, 21:41
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According to the Times report the pilot in question was “blacklisted from the RAF”. What on earth does that mean?
Disgracefully racist.

Black-balling is something else, but time heals all.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 06:55
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Toxic…

I wonder if any of the leaders or supervisors that allowed this toxic culture to exist will face consequences. Or, in keeping with RAF tradition, a broken system becomes the sole responsibility of the incumbent leader. After all, they touched it last and the music has clearly stopped.
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 14:28
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Obviously not oblivious to the news, but by this point in the season isn't it normal to have announced the new team, and be underway with pre-season training, especially since Syerston has been notified as the training site. Any idea when the team for 2023 will be announced, or if display plans for 2023 still being considered?
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 12:08
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There is a team with new members for 2023. Why would there be new airspace otherwise?
I imagine they're waiting for a fair amount of dust to settle before announcing.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 13:34
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There is a team with new members for 2023. Why would there be new airspace otherwise?
I imagine they're waiting for a fair amount of dust to settle before announcing.
I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the new pilots were ‘selected’…Given the current reputation of the team and the poisonous effect it now has on the RAF’s PR and recruiting efforts, I am curious to see who would lower themselves so far as to want to be a Red, unless of course they support sexual harassment and bullying?
I can almost imagine that far from people applying, OC RAFAT was probably calling Sqn’s and begging people to apply.
It will be interesting to see who felt the Red’s was for them.

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 16:51
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“not me, Guv’nor” … certainly unlikely to be a career move these days, but then the “leaders” don’t need that on their CV. Having a good time playing with jets (etc) … yes.

Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 19:10
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Originally Posted by MPN11
“not me, Guv’nor” … certainly unlikely to be a career move these days, but then the “leaders” don’t need that on their CV. Having a good time playing with jets (etc) … yes.

Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Quite so.

Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].

As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].

Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 09:00
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Quite so.

Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].

As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].

Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
Working in the Middle East for BAE.
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 09:36
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bused-her.html

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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 11:33
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Not the Reds Downsizer but it obviously has a degree of relevance to the thread.

Unfortunate for the officer to be named, the public criticism won't do her any favours.
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Not disputing that, but it adds to the narrative around unacceptable behavior and the RAFs response to it.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 16:39
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New OC RAFAT Wing Commander Adam Collins | Royal Air Force (mod.uk)

New Officer Commanding for Red Arrows | Royal Air Force (mod.uk)

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 18:28
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Good luck.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 19:14
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I was a little shocked to see Montenegro is still flying and in the job. I thought he was suspended...
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 19:32
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Originally Posted by biddedout
I think there is a good case for grounding them for the rest of the season and starting afresh. In this day and age there shouldn't be any hint of drinking culture around the display circuit. Some friends had an unpleasant experience of another display crew (ground-crew) in a resort hotel. Rude, loud, dishevelled and worse for wear and yet still wearing enough bits of uniform identifying them as RAF people supposedly on the front-line of PR. Time for a big reset.
ATCO's, and Airline crews are under constant threat of alcohol/drugs tests, so why can't the RAF get a grip of this?
had an f/o that couldn't have just 2, he had a bit of a squabble with a "once" young dolly who thought she was all that"maybe 15 years ago " buddy told her the straight goods. Next morning she complained to company that their pilots were drinking within 8 hrs(14) pulled off the flightline, and DH'd to YYZ for the carpet dance. Had the receipt with time and date, sent on our way with the" how would you do this better talk.......My F/O understood then why whenever I was asked what I do, the answer was sell insurance " do you have term of whole life? " then people left me alone.
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