Not-so-woke Reds
Originally Posted by stevef
I used to work with an ex-RAF corporal. His surname was Sargent. Nothing to do with the Red Arrows but I thought it worth a mention. 
( * not sure of the exact spelling)
Still running saga in the Times, apparently another former Red Arrows pilot forced his way into a female officers hotel room and only left when she screamed, he left the forces several years ago and is accused of getting drunk the night before the air show.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...room-wx272d5rn. (Behind firewall)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...room-wx272d5rn. (Behind firewall)
Originally Posted by Timelord
According to the Times report the pilot in question was “blacklisted from the RAF”. What on earth does that mean?
Black-balling is something else, but time heals all.
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Toxic…
I wonder if any of the leaders or supervisors that allowed this toxic culture to exist will face consequences. Or, in keeping with RAF tradition, a broken system becomes the sole responsibility of the incumbent leader. After all, they touched it last and the music has clearly stopped.
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Obviously not oblivious to the news, but by this point in the season isn't it normal to have announced the new team, and be underway with pre-season training, especially since Syerston has been notified as the training site. Any idea when the team for 2023 will be announced, or if display plans for 2023 still being considered?
Originally Posted by LS8C1
There is a team with new members for 2023. Why would there be new airspace otherwise?
I imagine they're waiting for a fair amount of dust to settle before announcing.
I imagine they're waiting for a fair amount of dust to settle before announcing.
I can almost imagine that far from people applying, OC RAFAT was probably calling Sqn’s and begging people to apply.
It will be interesting to see who felt the Red’s was for them.
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“not me, Guv’nor” … certainly unlikely to be a career move these days, but then the “leaders” don’t need that on their CV. Having a good time playing with jets (etc) … yes.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Originally Posted by MPN11
“not me, Guv’nor” … certainly unlikely to be a career move these days, but then the “leaders” don’t need that on their CV. Having a good time playing with jets (etc) … yes.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].
As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].
Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Quite so.
Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].
As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].
Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].
As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].
Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
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Originally Posted by biddedout
I think there is a good case for grounding them for the rest of the season and starting afresh. In this day and age there shouldn't be any hint of drinking culture around the display circuit. Some friends had an unpleasant experience of another display crew (ground-crew) in a resort hotel. Rude, loud, dishevelled and worse for wear and yet still wearing enough bits of uniform identifying them as RAF people supposedly on the front-line of PR. Time for a big reset.
ATCO's, and Airline crews are under constant threat of alcohol/drugs tests, so why can't the RAF get a grip of this?
ATCO's, and Airline crews are under constant threat of alcohol/drugs tests, so why can't the RAF get a grip of this?
