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Still running saga in the Times, apparently another former Red Arrows pilot forced his way into a female officers hotel room and only left when she screamed, he left the forces several years ago and is accused of getting drunk the night before the air show.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...room-wx272d5rn. (Behind firewall)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...room-wx272d5rn. (Behind firewall)
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Barred from joining the Party Squadron?
Perhaps he has some residual value after all the money spent training him?
Perhaps he has some residual value after all the money spent training him?
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Toxic…
I wonder if any of the leaders or supervisors that allowed this toxic culture to exist will face consequences. Or, in keeping with RAF tradition, a broken system becomes the sole responsibility of the incumbent leader. After all, they touched it last and the music has clearly stopped.
Obviously not oblivious to the news, but by this point in the season isn't it normal to have announced the new team, and be underway with pre-season training, especially since Syerston has been notified as the training site. Any idea when the team for 2023 will be announced, or if display plans for 2023 still being considered?
I can almost imagine that far from people applying, OC RAFAT was probably calling Sqn’s and begging people to apply.
It will be interesting to see who felt the Red’s was for them.
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“not me, Guv’nor” … certainly unlikely to be a career move these days, but then the “leaders” don’t need that on their CV. Having a good time playing with jets (etc) … yes.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
“not me, Guv’nor” … certainly unlikely to be a career move these days, but then the “leaders” don’t need that on their CV. Having a good time playing with jets (etc) … yes.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Sadly there may be not enough middle ground between ‘the greasy pole’ and ‘hey, this is fun’ … perhaps a factor of the severely diminished population in which they now serve? Have fun, or reach to the stars? Or just grind on to Pension time? There are many sorts of good people out there, and always have been.
Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].
As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].
Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
Quite so.
Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].
As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].
Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
Yes, diminishing population has seemed to polarise that three-way split, but it did not seem like it until the end of the First Cold War. [Three-way polarisation? Sorry].
As an interested outsider I observed many of my neighbours, young-ish officers, apparently having a great time flying Hunters and Lightnings at Gutersloh late 1960s. As a group, they seemed to do very well on the greasy pole in later years .............. my later expoloits with seaweed and crystal balls met a goodly number of them transformed into Gp Capts or Air Cdres [and at least one ACM].
Difficult to know what a career move looks like these days.
Not the Reds Downsizer but it obviously has a degree of relevance to the thread.
Unfortunate for the officer to be named, the public criticism won't do her any favours.
Unfortunate for the officer to be named, the public criticism won't do her any favours.
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Good luck.
I think there is a good case for grounding them for the rest of the season and starting afresh. In this day and age there shouldn't be any hint of drinking culture around the display circuit. Some friends had an unpleasant experience of another display crew (ground-crew) in a resort hotel. Rude, loud, dishevelled and worse for wear and yet still wearing enough bits of uniform identifying them as RAF people supposedly on the front-line of PR. Time for a big reset.
ATCO's, and Airline crews are under constant threat of alcohol/drugs tests, so why can't the RAF get a grip of this?
ATCO's, and Airline crews are under constant threat of alcohol/drugs tests, so why can't the RAF get a grip of this?