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Old 18th Jul 2023, 17:07
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The Met Police are the same, it's not that this is the norm,but a number of serving male personnel have their hair in a fashion which staggers belief that its allowed. I saw an Inspector once with a shoulder lengh perm in a pony tail and a Sergent with long hair wearing a head band, all in uniform btw, not under cover.

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And what on earth is wrong with any of that?
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I'm fully retired now and in receipt of my pension. Do i give a single f*ck what those left in look like? Nope, because they don't affect me. Even when I was in I was more interested if they could do the job well rather than what they looked like based on some outdated idea.
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I'm fully retired now and in receipt of my pension. Do i give a single f*ck what those left in look like? Nope, because they don't affect me. Even when I was in I was more interested if they could do the job well rather than what they looked like based on some outdated idea.
I will take a switched on guy in a pony tail over a PITA member with the best "regulation haircut" any day. To paraphrase what you look like is skin deep, how you perform goes to the core of who you are.
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And what on earth is wrong with any of that?
Well for start, with all that hair all over the place, they won't be able fit their hats on straight, and that's a big problem! If on parade, there is a gust wind, there hats will take off and that will be that, no hat!

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Well for start, with all that hair all over the place, they won't be able fit their hats on straight, and that's a big problem! If on parade, there is a gust wind, there hats will take off and that will be that, no hat!

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Bloody hell mate, you're right that would be a disaster!
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I do wonder how often people think parades come round these days.... I served 1993-2023 and last did a parade in 1999! And not through trying to get out of them.
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I arrived out of training at RAF Boulmer in August 1978, there was an NCO i/c MGR, Sgt R M Smith. A short Scotsman with sandy well trimmed hair a super sense of humour yet even for the time, he was years behind in another era. Every parade as he inspected the ranks as he made his way along each one, you'd hear him suddenly explode at somebody, then his final intemperate words were, report to me at the Main Guard Room after the parade. When that time came they'd be a queue of airmen, including NCOs, outide the MGR as if waiting at the Cinema for a Blockbuster. Now that's when we had a real air force!

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They should probably ditch those stale, repressive uniforms as well, and allow people to more freely express their identity by turning up to work in whatever they feel like. This would make events like the Coronation and Trooping of the Colour more diverse and reflective of modern society. After all, wearing a uniform has no bearing on how well you do your job.
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
They should probably ditch those stale, repressive uniforms as well, and allow people to more freely express their identity by turning up to work in whatever they feel like. This would make events like the Coronation and Trooping of the Colour more diverse and reflective of modern society. After all, wearing a uniform has no bearing on how well you do your job.
Well I suppose you've got a point Sir, away with repressive uniforms which were designed in an Imperial age. I can imagine many people, younger people, will feel threatened by the appearance of such martial rightwing looking uniforms in public as well!

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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
I arrived out of training at RAF Boulmer in August 1978, there was an NCO i/c MGR, Sgt R M Smith. A short Scotsman with sandy well trimmed hair a super sense of humour yet even for the time, he was years behind in another era. Every parade as he inspected the ranks as he made his way along each one, you'd hear him suddenly explode at somebody, then his final intemperate words were, report to me at the Main Guard Room after the parade. When that time came they'd be a queue of airmen, including NCOs, outide the MGR as if waiting at the Cinema for a Blockbuster. Now that's when we had a real air force!

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You poor fellow, such awful personal trauma must have blighted your life over past 45 years. You should get your claim in straight away, and while waiting for your legally aided case tell your story to an eager media.
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
Well for start, with all that hair all over the place, they won't be able fit their hats on straight, and that's a big problem! If on parade, there is a gust wind, there hats will take off and that will be that, no hat!

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Oh dear..........

I think you have not quite understood what our Armed Forces are actually for.
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
I arrived out of training at RAF Boulmer in August 1978, there was an NCO i/c MGR, Sgt R M Smith. A short Scotsman with sandy well trimmed hair a super sense of humour yet even for the time, he was years behind in another era. Every parade as he inspected the ranks as he made his way along each one, you'd hear him suddenly explode at somebody, then his final intemperate words were, report to me at the Main Guard Room after the parade. When that time came they'd be a queue of airmen, including NCOs, outide the MGR as if waiting at the Cinema for a Blockbuster. Now that's when we had a real air force!

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No, that was 45 years ago when we had a trivial small minded Air Force that had a massive retention problem, can't think why!
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As opposed to today, when we have a small, left leaning, 'woke', Air Force with a massive retention problem....
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No, that was 45 years ago when we had a trivial small minded Air Force that had a massive retention problem, can't think why!
pr00ne,

All us young airmen at Boulmer, if we had to head of to the Station HQ, dreaded the fact we had to walk (march) past the Main Guard Room, just in case Smiffy was there looking out the window, every so often he'd claim a scalp (so to speak) "AIRMAN, WHEN DID YE LAST GET YIR HAIR CUT?!" He delighted in telling the six of us who arrived on that August evening, what he expected of us, in terms of uniform maintenance , hair lengh regulations and all the rest of it, "we don't treat ye like wee boys and girils here, if yer uniforms no pressed or yer over due a hair cut, I'll charge ye! And don't go complaining tae yer WO Ops or Flight Commander, 'cause I'll just tell the CO aa'm wastin ma time here and yer Flight Commander 'll get leant on so it'll all bounce back to you, so its all sown up!"

There I can remember the welcome to RAF Boulmer line with unerring clarity. Sgt Smith did have his moment of fame, he was posted to Machrahanish, where they made the film "White Nights". He got a cameo role as a Soviet Officer, you see him when the plane lands in Soviet territory with the defector on board. Sgt Smith is stood next to someone who orders him to meet the some official stepping off the flight, he marches over as only Sgt Smith would/could snaps to attention and stands ramrod straight and salutes. I've watched that scene and recognise the same manner from the past.

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Bit like Bogbrush' at Shiny Palace. I bet he had heart of gold though .................... !
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As opposed to today, when we have a small, left leaning, 'woke', Air Force with a massive retention problem....
When war push comes to shove, are not warriors best impressing the enemy with their morale, cohesion, demeanour and discipline? Does not instant obedience with legal orders and a general air of belonging to the toughest and cleverest gang around count any more?

Does not self-respect begin with appearance and punctuality and can-do?

A ragged-arsed unkempt shambling unit may be good for recruiting and retention [although I am not sure if I would want the recruits] but will it put fear in the enemy and protect the country that they / we sign[ed] up to serve?
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When war push comes to shove, are not warriors best impressing the enemy with their morale, cohesion, demeanour and discipline? Does not instant obedience with legal orders and a general air of belonging to the toughest and cleverest gang around count any more?

Does not self-respect begin with appearance and punctuality and can-do?

A ragged-arsed unkempt shambling unit may be good for recruiting and retention [although I am not sure if I would want the recruits] but will it put fear in the enemy and protect the country that they / we sign[ed] up to serve?
Having been on Ops right up till resettlement this year- you are talking sh1te. We have no problem delivering effect. Look at the super non-woke russian armed forces, is that a better model.

Probably worth you pondering as well, were it not for the super lefty woke air force your special grandaughter wouldn't be in the RAF Regiment as a weekend warrior!
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I hated all the spit and polish BS and especially hated anything to do with parades and marching. I guess the professional pedestrians in the Army eat that shy*te up but as a proud member of the RCN my career long goal was to run the ragged line of being having the second worst shoe shine, the second longest hair, the second saltiest cap etc etc.

I knew I had beaten the system when on the practice for my change of command parade, the ultra pusser DI handed me a sword and said with very evident sincerity, “Sir, please don’t trip over it when you are walking my mates will never let me live it down!”
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