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Can Wigston survive the onslaught?

Old 3rd Jun 2023, 16:33
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Originally Posted by iRaven
Says it all really. Wokeston, you have simply been the worst CAS ever. You should have done the decent thing and resigned last summer. Look below what YOU have done to the RAF from the AFCAS 2023 results.

Thank God we have Sir Rich coming. I have so much hope that he will reverse and re-boot some of the awful things that you and your naked 3-star did. At least Sir Rich is starting at rock bottom; it can’t get any worse from this point onwards!






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18% confidence in Service leadership, 7% morale and despite the EDI focus only 57%, down from 72% Just wow!

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Are you amazed it was so high?

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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 16:54
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18% confidence in Service leadership, 7% morale and despite the EDI focus only 57%, down from 72% Just wow!
Cancel leave until morale improves, eh Captain Blackadder? Baaaaaaaaaaay!!
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Originally Posted by Wyntor
I sincerely hope that Rich Knighton is spending this weekend implementing a cleaning house plan - starting with the Dentist.
Already on RDP - gone this summer. Just trying to work out who replaces her. It better not be the 1-star who worked for her who also had her fingerprints all over this discrimination scandal. That would be bad.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
the quotation was from Chug - whose record on documenting and calling out deficiencies stands pretty solid I think.

The statement that there is a clear out in almost all armed services after the start of a major war is a historic fact
No. It took a long time in the Great War, and then part of the cull was a natural death. Also Smith-Dorrien was sacked unjustifiably for saving II Corps [and ultimately the army].
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 20:49
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
Are you amazed it was so high?

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Something like that! In my last job there wasn’t a single Wg Cdr / Gp Capt that I worked with that wasn’t writing a CV!
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 22:01
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Hopefully no companies decide to take him on considering how in such a short time he has managed to bring the Service to its knees.

Just let’s hope a lot more are shuffled off the board. Shame the new CAS couldn’t bring back that Group Captain that resigned, at least they showed a backbone and some moral fibre.
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Old 4th Jun 2023, 09:23
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Re 467. In February 2023, the Daily Mail was reporting that Group Captain Lizzie Nicholl was considering legal action against the RAF (constructive dismissal?). Such a case would expose all of the evidence and demonstrate why the former CAS and his (still serving) dentist (aka "Head of Personnel") were completely deluded in their directives to the recruiting and selection people.
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Old 4th Jun 2023, 11:20
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Originally Posted by AirmanNotAviator
Re 467. In February 2023, the Daily Mail was reporting that Group Captain Lizzie Nicholl was considering legal action against the RAF (constructive dismissal?). Such a case would expose all of the evidence and demonstrate why the former CAS and his (still serving) dentist (aka "Head of Personnel") were completely deluded in their directives to the recruiting and selection people.
Maybe it would be a good thing if she did? She clearly has more spine and principal than the outgoing idiot and his misguided clowns.
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 00:25
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New CAS already making some changes:

AM Harv Smyth now Air & Space Cdr, UK (was DCom Ops)

AM Rich Maddison now DCAS (was DCom Cap)
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we still seem to have wonderfully titled SO's in charge of ... not a lot........
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 12:33
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
New CAS already making some changes:

AM Harv Smyth now Air & Space Cdr, UK (was DCom Ops)

AM Rich Maddison now DCAS (was DCom Cap)
Excellent news. Why does this news remind me of this quote from one of Merrill's Marauders (or Gaius Petronas Arbiter - you choose):

“Perhaps because we are so good at organizing, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization.”
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
the quotation was from Chug - whose record on documenting and calling out deficiencies stands pretty solid I think.

The statement that there is a clear out in almost all armed services after the start of a major war is a historic fact
Thank you but, since I was clearly referring to your own comments rather than the unattributed quotation from Chug, I await your answer to my question regarding service.

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Old 7th Jun 2023, 17:20
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Originally Posted by AirmanNotAviator
Re 467. In February 2023, the Daily Mail was reporting that Group Captain Lizzie Nicholl was considering legal action against the RAF (constructive dismissal?). Such a case would expose all of the evidence and demonstrate why the former CAS and his (still serving) dentist (aka "Head of Personnel") were completely deluded in their directives to the recruiting and selection people.
Surely, as she resigned rather than was sacked, she can’t sue for dismissal - constructive or otherwise?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 19:00
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Re 474. No - if she can demonstrate that she had no course open to her other than resign, she can sue for constructive dismissal. I do not know whether or not she has a good enough case. I hope she has.
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Snapper, one has to quit rather than be fired - and quit fairly promptly - to be eligible for constructive dismissal.

Constructive dismissal is when you’re forced to leave your job against your will because of your employer’s conduct.

You should try and sort any issues out by speaking to your employer to solve the dispute.

If you do have a case for constructive dismissal, you should leave your job immediately - your employer may argue that, by staying, you accepted the conduct or treatment.
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 20:53
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
New CAS already making some changes:

AM Harv Smyth now Air & Space Cdr, UK (was DCom Ops)

AM Rich Maddison now DCAS (was DCom Cap)
I suspect this was a legacy change and a part of the hair-brained new Air Command Operating Model (ACOM) that is Wiggy’s and Turner’s legacy, where we see 2 Gp Capts on a main station instead of one. How’s that for progress?

Sir Rich took command on Friday and the ASC and DCAS change was on the Monday. That would be some of the fastest staff work ever, if it was!
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 21:56
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Originally Posted by The B Word
I suspect this was a legacy change and a part of the hair-brained new Air Command Operating Model (ACOM) that is Wiggy’s and Turner’s legacy, where we see 2 Gp Capts on a main station instead of one. How’s that for progress?

Sir Rich took command on Friday and the ASC and DCAS change was on the Monday. That would be some of the fastest staff work ever, if it was!
Staff work, you say?

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Just a thought, has there ever been, certainly in recent times, a 4-star engineer serving before?

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Old 8th Jun 2023, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy
Just a thought, has there ever been, certainly in recent times, a 4-star engineer serving before?

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I seem to recall the key aspiration for many engineers in the past was four props.....
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