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Old 29th June 2023 | 08:19
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"where actual squids hang out "

perhaps "actual squids" are not party to strategic discusions at Cabinet level?

betting he wasn't either
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Old 18th July 2023 | 05:06
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AUKUS has passed another hurdle. Senate Foreign Relations Comittee has Okayed a 20 year exemption to the a nuclear transfer act

https://www.afr.com/world/north-amer...0230716-p5doiw
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Old 18th July 2023 | 14:18
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Gee, they agreed on something. Good news, for a change.
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https://www.defensenews.com/congress...ontrol-debate/

House advances AUKUS authorizations amid sub, export control debate
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Old 27th July 2023 | 23:00
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...aukus-00108455

‘Door is open’ for New Zealand to join AUKUS, Blinken says

The “door is open” for New Zealand and other countries to join the security pact between the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Thursday.

“On AUKUS as we continue to develop it … the door is very much open for New Zealand and other partners to engage as they see appropriate going forward,” Blinken told reporters in New Zealand. “We’ve long worked together on the most important national security issues, and so as we further develop AUKUS, as I said, the door is open to engagement.”…

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Old 28th July 2023 | 01:17
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Hmmm so NAUKUS AUKNUS or somethiing else?
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Old 28th July 2023 | 01:48
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...aukus-00108455

‘Door is open’ for New Zealand to join AUKUS, Blinken says

The “door is open” for New Zealand and other countries to join the security pact between the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Thursday.

“On AUKUS as we continue to develop it … the door is very much open for New Zealand and other partners to engage as they see appropriate going forward,” Blinken told reporters in New Zealand. “We’ve long worked together on the most important national security issues, and so as we further develop AUKUS, as I said, the door is open to engagement.”…


"The door is very much open for NZ and other partners to engage as they see appropriate," said Blinken.

Soon after NZ Foreign Minister reported as saying:

But that door was later slammed shut by Mahuta.

"I'll be really clear, we're not contemplating joining AUKUS," she said.

Not only would AUKUS clash with our nuclear-free laws, but also the country's nuclear-free Pacific policy. It's a club we'd have to sell our soul to join."


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...much-open.html





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Old 28th July 2023 | 03:16
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But, wouldn’t China want an insider?
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Old 28th July 2023 | 04:31
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But, wouldn’t China want an insider?
Ah, Machiavelli lives.
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Old 28th July 2023 | 04:40
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But, wouldn’t China want an insider?
Not Wong! Already addressed from Australian side, LOL.
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Old 28th July 2023 | 08:46
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Not Wong! Already addressed from Australian side, LOL.
Yeah gladus Lui, actually member of the CCP got voted out at last election. I forgot to tell her party and asio that she was a member of the CCP party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladys_Liu
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Old 3rd August 2023 | 14:40
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Sir Humphrey:

The US and Australia are deepening their defence relationship. What does this mean for the UK, and will Canberra replace London as the real 'Special Relationship'.

Pinstripedline thoughts on UK commitment to the Indo-Pacific region.

https://tinyurl.com/mrxsubfh

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Old 3rd August 2023 | 16:55
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But that door was later slammed shut by Mahuta.

"I'll be really clear, we're not contemplating joining AUKUS," she said.

Not only would AUKUS clash with our nuclear-free laws, but also the country's nuclear-free Pacific policy. It's a club we'd have to sell our soul to join."
She's established the price, now it's down to haggling.
TBH: I don't see how it is in NZ's interest to be a part of that.
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Old 3rd August 2023 | 17:48
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"The current force laydown in the region, built around 2 x RIVER class OPVs, a Gurkha battalion and some occasional RAF deployments is enough to show the flag and support low level defence interests. But to be taken seriously as a credible partner, the UK will need to raise its game."

The British armed forces can hardly deploy a meaningful force in Europe - the idea we'll ever do so in the Far East is an opium dream.
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Old 22nd August 2023 | 01:37
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Tomahawks confirmed - only for the Hobarts at this stage, maybe not the Collins.

At least now we have something to put in the VLS tubes when the Virginias roll in...

Australia will become one of only three nations to possess a Tomahawk long-range strike capability when it purchases more than 200 of the cruise missiles from the United States for the Royal Australian Navy’s Hobart-class destroyers.
As we previously reported, Australia was looking at outfitting its in-service Collins-class submarines with Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles as part of their forthcoming Life of Type Extension (LOTE). However the fate of this plan is uncertain now, following the announcement that the Royal Australian Navy is set to field Virginia-class submarines from the early 2030ies.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...e-procurement/

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Old 22nd August 2023 | 07:24
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Now that makes sense!
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Old 22nd August 2023 | 10:39
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Now that makes sense!
I would still think the submarine launched tomahawks would be aquired. They can just use them on the a virginia/SSN Aukus as required
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Old 22nd August 2023 | 14:22
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I would still think the submarine launched tomahawks would be aquired. They can just use them on the a virginia/SSN Aukus as required
one step at a time I suspect................... much easier to justify as "an extension of current purchase" than a whopping up front bill
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Old 22nd August 2023 | 20:56
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one step at a time I suspect................... much easier to justify as "an extension of current purchase" than a whopping up front bill
The rumor is that tomahawk is one of the systems being targets unders GEWOS (sovriegn missile production). Which has some logic to it due to it being relatively low tech and cheaper than LRASM
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Old 28th August 2023 | 03:19
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In March 2023, it was announced that Australia intended to buy 200 Tomahawk RGM-109E Block V all-up-rounds (AURs), 20 RGM-109E Block IV AURs along with the necessary equipment and support. The recent press reports indicate that an order has been made for the 200 Block V’s but there’s been no mention of the 20 Block IV’s.

http://200 Tomahawk RGM-109E Block V...t and support.

My interpretation of the original plan was that the 20 Block IV’s would have kits added to them to make them suitable for Collins submarine tube launched missiles and thus become UGM-109E Block IV missiles. As those kits are no longer in production, I suspect that they were intending to get them from USN stocks as they were used in the first batch of Los Angeles class submarines and are probably in storage. When the Royal Navy replaced their tube launched Block III’s with Block IV’s, they had to migrate the UGM kits across to the new missiles as new kits were no longer available.

The recent lack of firm orders for the Block IV’s indicates that they no longer intend to fit Tomahawk’s to the Collins class as part of the LOTE and wait to have that capability when the first 2 Virginia class join the fleet circa 2032. This would not be desirable as the last Collins class is expected to retire in 2046 so they would still have to provide full capability for the remainder of their service life.




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