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If it's a circus now? Trump as the ringmaster, will set the tent on fire. After NATO, it could be Australia. Could enough Americans be so deluded, as to vote him into power?
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USNI has an article on subs, it may stand as 1 this year. We will see, as in time, all will be revealed. It may be the cry for the more infrastructure money.
Navy Will Ask for 1 Virginia-Class Sub in FY 25 Shipbuilding Budget, Increase Amphib Production - USNI News
Critics of cutting the submarine budget say that buying fewer than two per year will send a dangerous signal to U.S. allies about Washington’s lack of commitment to the AUKUS plan. Last month, a bipartisan group of lawmakers sent a letter to the Biden administration outlining this argument.
“Simply put, now is not the time to insert instability in the supply chain with uncertainty in procurement rates,” House Armed Services Committee lawmakers wrote in the letter, dated Jan. 17 and reported by USNI News.
“The FY2025 budget will come at a pivotal time for the Virginia-class submarine program and sustaining our unmatched edge in the undersea domain. Any deviation from the planned cadence of the construction and procurement of two submarines per year will reverberate both at home and abroad, with allies and competitors alike.”
(this will be reported, by avid fans. We will see if the mods let this comment stand. I don't know where the floor is for protecting Trump? I've had another Trump comment deleted, that I saw as factual)
USNI has an article on subs, it may stand as 1 this year. We will see, as in time, all will be revealed. It may be the cry for the more infrastructure money.
Navy Will Ask for 1 Virginia-Class Sub in FY 25 Shipbuilding Budget, Increase Amphib Production - USNI News
Critics of cutting the submarine budget say that buying fewer than two per year will send a dangerous signal to U.S. allies about Washington’s lack of commitment to the AUKUS plan. Last month, a bipartisan group of lawmakers sent a letter to the Biden administration outlining this argument.
“Simply put, now is not the time to insert instability in the supply chain with uncertainty in procurement rates,” House Armed Services Committee lawmakers wrote in the letter, dated Jan. 17 and reported by USNI News.
“The FY2025 budget will come at a pivotal time for the Virginia-class submarine program and sustaining our unmatched edge in the undersea domain. Any deviation from the planned cadence of the construction and procurement of two submarines per year will reverberate both at home and abroad, with allies and competitors alike.”
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-...sary/103578408
Pentagon sparks fresh AUKUS doubts on anniversary of Australia's nuclear-powered submarine plans
Pentagon sparks fresh AUKUS doubts on anniversary of Australia's nuclear-powered submarine plans
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Remember it's a circus. This is the important part of the FUD article.
"However, this week's Pentagon budget proposal requests Congress to appropriate a further $US4 billion for the US submarine industrial base in 2025, and $US11.1 billion over five years, for a "historic" investment to expand production."
The primes want 15 billion, plus what Australia will throw in the pot.
"However, this week's Pentagon budget proposal requests Congress to appropriate a further $US4 billion for the US submarine industrial base in 2025, and $US11.1 billion over five years, for a "historic" investment to expand production."
The primes want 15 billion, plus what Australia will throw in the pot.
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"Democratic congressman Joe Courtney,"
that would be the man who represents the Second Congressional District of Connecticut which is right next door to the main builders of submarines in the USA ?
that would be the man who represents the Second Congressional District of Connecticut which is right next door to the main builders of submarines in the USA ?
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Seems SSN-AUKUS will be the lead design…..
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...o-early-2040s/
Navy delays next-generation submarine start to early 2040s
The U.S. Navy is pushing back the start of construction on its next-generation attack submarine by nearly a decade, citing tight budgets and a need to fund current and near-term operations.
A Navy spokesperson told Defense News construction on the lead ship of the SSN(X) program, which will follow the Virginia-class attack submarine, is now planned to start in the “early 2040s.” The Navy last year planned to begin the ship class in 2035, and it was previously set for a 2031 start…..
The Navy is asking for $586.9 million for SSN(X) design and development efforts in FY25, up slightly from the $544.7 million it requested in FY24….
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...o-early-2040s/
Navy delays next-generation submarine start to early 2040s
The U.S. Navy is pushing back the start of construction on its next-generation attack submarine by nearly a decade, citing tight budgets and a need to fund current and near-term operations.
A Navy spokesperson told Defense News construction on the lead ship of the SSN(X) program, which will follow the Virginia-class attack submarine, is now planned to start in the “early 2040s.” The Navy last year planned to begin the ship class in 2035, and it was previously set for a 2031 start…..
The Navy is asking for $586.9 million for SSN(X) design and development efforts in FY25, up slightly from the $544.7 million it requested in FY24….
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Seems SSN-AUKUS will be the lead design…..
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...o-early-2040s/
Navy delays next-generation submarine start to early 2040s
The U.S. Navy is pushing back the start of construction on its next-generation attack submarine by nearly a decade, citing tight budgets and a need to fund current and near-term operations.
A Navy spokesperson told Defense News construction on the lead ship of the SSN(X) program, which will follow the Virginia-class attack submarine, is now planned to start in the “early 2040s.” The Navy last year planned to begin the ship class in 2035, and it was previously set for a 2031 start…..
The Navy is asking for $586.9 million for SSN(X) design and development efforts in FY25, up slightly from the $544.7 million it requested in FY24….
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...o-early-2040s/
Navy delays next-generation submarine start to early 2040s
The U.S. Navy is pushing back the start of construction on its next-generation attack submarine by nearly a decade, citing tight budgets and a need to fund current and near-term operations.
A Navy spokesperson told Defense News construction on the lead ship of the SSN(X) program, which will follow the Virginia-class attack submarine, is now planned to start in the “early 2040s.” The Navy last year planned to begin the ship class in 2035, and it was previously set for a 2031 start…..
The Navy is asking for $586.9 million for SSN(X) design and development efforts in FY25, up slightly from the $544.7 million it requested in FY24….
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Impressive - also note the RN and RAN Ensigns on display - a gentle reminder of AUKUS importance.
Virginia Block III-class fast-attack submarine USS Indiana (SSN-789) surfaced in Beaufort Sea, Arctic Circle, near Ice Camp Whale during Operation Ice Camp 2024 on March 13, 2024. Photos & info via @ryankakiuchan
Virginia Block III-class fast-attack submarine USS Indiana (SSN-789) surfaced in Beaufort Sea, Arctic Circle, near Ice Camp Whale during Operation Ice Camp 2024 on March 13, 2024. Photos & info via @ryankakiuchan
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Anyway, Netherlands just decided today to buy four Barracuda submarines from French Naval Group.
Smaller contrat than the deceased one with Australia, but more serious customers - and they know how to go to war.
Kom op vrienden !
Smaller contrat than the deceased one with Australia, but more serious customers - and they know how to go to war.
Kom op vrienden !
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but more serious customers - and they know how to go to war.
There's nothing like waving a national flag. Do you feel better now?
Canada’s Strategic Role in AUKUS Pillar 2: Security, Stability, and Deterrence in the Indo-Pacific • Stimson Center
Canada’s Strategic Role in AUKUS Pillar 2: Security, Stability, and Deterrence in the Indo-Pacific
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https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...3a547e6245cafe
Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
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https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...3a547e6245cafe
Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
Blimey, that sounds sinister. Perhaps these two have been increasingly strident about the threat China poses.
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Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
They probably said it wasn't a good idea for Albo to glad hand and almost hug Xi at meeting a couple of days after Chinese Navy turned active sonar on RAN divers in water trying to clear a fouled propeller on our frigate, causing significant injury.
Xi must have been laughing at the fawning weak Australian.
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Murdoch press hit piece. What a nothing story. They aren't elected and can't be a committee member. They are brought in as advisors and will continue to do so with the current and next govt. Liberal or Labor
National Security Committee (Australia) - Wikipedia
The National Security Committee (NSC), also known as the National Security Committee of Cabinet,[1] is the peak decision-making body for national security and major foreign policy matters in the Australian Government. It is a committee of the Cabinet of Australia, though decisions of the NSC do not require the endorsement of the Cabinet itself
The Chief of the Defence Force and other senior ADF officers also attend if requested or required by the NSC.[16]
Other government ministers, such as the Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, are invited to attend meetings as required. The Leader of the Opposition is also sometimes invited to attend for important briefings.[23]
As mentioned above, the NSC met numerous times during the 2020 coronavirus pandemic with attendance by the Minister for Health and the Chief Medical Officer.[24]
National Security Committee (Australia) - Wikipedia
The National Security Committee (NSC), also known as the National Security Committee of Cabinet,[1] is the peak decision-making body for national security and major foreign policy matters in the Australian Government. It is a committee of the Cabinet of Australia, though decisions of the NSC do not require the endorsement of the Cabinet itself
Other attendees[edit]
As the peak decision-making body on national security, the NSC is also attended and advised by the Secretaries for each respective public service department represented by a Minister on the NSC. As such, NSC attendance also includes the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, the Department of Defence, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Home Affairs.[16]The Chief of the Defence Force and other senior ADF officers also attend if requested or required by the NSC.[16]
Other government ministers, such as the Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, are invited to attend meetings as required. The Leader of the Opposition is also sometimes invited to attend for important briefings.[23]
As mentioned above, the NSC met numerous times during the 2020 coronavirus pandemic with attendance by the Minister for Health and the Chief Medical Officer.[24]
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Then you don't need us to help the next time Europe goes Postal on each other!
The world and time moves on.
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They won't let you into the country Buster, last time there EU members could walk straight through immigration, we had to go through the "foreigners" door. Must admit it left a bit of a taste in the mouth, being ex miliary, and remembering the blood our guys spilt on their behalf in two world wars. The world and time moves on.
The world and time moves on.Do I begrudge that? No, but I do sometimes question the "two-way" bit of alliances.
And guess what, I have to go throught the "foreigners" door and get my passport stamped too.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/auku...-defense-pact/
Pacific defense pact before election turmoil
Japan and Canada could join AUKUS before the end of 2024.
LONDON — The U.K., U.S. and Australia are rushing to expand their trilateral AUKUS defense partnership to further allied nations before potentially tumultuous elections in all three countries over the next 14 months.
One senior diplomat involved in the talks told POLITICO that Japan and Canada are in line to join the so-called pillar 2 section of the AUKUS agreement, which will see participants sign up to extensive military technology collaboration, by the end of 2024 or early 2025.
It comes amid fears in Washington, London and Canberra that Donald Trump could wind back or scrap the AUKUS deal if he wins the November presidential election.
The AUKUS security agreement was first announced in September 2021. Its first part, pillar 1 involves the U.S. and U.K. helping Australia build nuclear-powered submarines.
Pillar 2 of the agreement allows the three nations to agree on deals to develop advanced military technology in areas such as artificial intelligence, hypersonic missiles and quantum technologies.
It was always envisioned that pillar 2 could be expanded to further U.S. allies, with Japan, Canada, New Zealand and South Korea among those expressing interest in joining.
A second diplomat involved in the talks said U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration was now “pushing really hard to get some things on AUKUS pillar 2 done now, before the U.S. election” in November, which may see Trump retake the White House.
A White House official told POLITICO that "the president and his partners have been clear that as our work progresses on pillar 2 we would look for opportunities to engage other allies and close partners."
While he has yet to speak in public about the AUKUS deal, Trump has doubled-down on his America First rhetoric during the campaign and may adopt a more isolationist foreign policy position.
The U.K. is due to hold its own general election before the end of this year, while Australia is set to go to the polls by May 2025.
The first diplomat quoted in this piece said the return of “American isolationism is a risk to the Indo-Pacific” and that there will be a moment, if Trump wins, where Western leaders will phone each other up and ask: “What the **** are we going to do now?”
That means, they suggested, rushing to sign new partners up to AUKUS now while the White House is still occupied by an administration that favors the pact.
“If pillar 2 fails then AUKUS fails, because we could have just had a submarine deal — albeit a very big submarine deal,” they said.……
U.K. Foreign Secretary David Cameron and U.K. Defense Secretary Grant Shapps travel to Australia this week to hold meetings with their Australian counterparts.
The pair will also meet with Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who is expected to provide a public update on the core submarine project amid fears in Canberra that America's decision to scale down submarine production could put the AUKUS deal in jeopardy.
Messmer warned that a second Trump presidency is a “big risk” to the future of the entire AUKUS deal, as the U.S. has to loan Australia several submarines as a part of the deal while new ones are being built.
“If Trump is unwilling to deliver because they don’t want to spare the subs or don’t want to anger China that could definitely jeopardise the Aukus agreement,” she said.
“That prospect is frightening officials in Australia now.”…..
Pacific defense pact before election turmoil
Japan and Canada could join AUKUS before the end of 2024.
LONDON — The U.K., U.S. and Australia are rushing to expand their trilateral AUKUS defense partnership to further allied nations before potentially tumultuous elections in all three countries over the next 14 months.
One senior diplomat involved in the talks told POLITICO that Japan and Canada are in line to join the so-called pillar 2 section of the AUKUS agreement, which will see participants sign up to extensive military technology collaboration, by the end of 2024 or early 2025.
It comes amid fears in Washington, London and Canberra that Donald Trump could wind back or scrap the AUKUS deal if he wins the November presidential election.
The AUKUS security agreement was first announced in September 2021. Its first part, pillar 1 involves the U.S. and U.K. helping Australia build nuclear-powered submarines.
Pillar 2 of the agreement allows the three nations to agree on deals to develop advanced military technology in areas such as artificial intelligence, hypersonic missiles and quantum technologies.
It was always envisioned that pillar 2 could be expanded to further U.S. allies, with Japan, Canada, New Zealand and South Korea among those expressing interest in joining.
A second diplomat involved in the talks said U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration was now “pushing really hard to get some things on AUKUS pillar 2 done now, before the U.S. election” in November, which may see Trump retake the White House.
A White House official told POLITICO that "the president and his partners have been clear that as our work progresses on pillar 2 we would look for opportunities to engage other allies and close partners."
While he has yet to speak in public about the AUKUS deal, Trump has doubled-down on his America First rhetoric during the campaign and may adopt a more isolationist foreign policy position.
The U.K. is due to hold its own general election before the end of this year, while Australia is set to go to the polls by May 2025.
The first diplomat quoted in this piece said the return of “American isolationism is a risk to the Indo-Pacific” and that there will be a moment, if Trump wins, where Western leaders will phone each other up and ask: “What the **** are we going to do now?”
That means, they suggested, rushing to sign new partners up to AUKUS now while the White House is still occupied by an administration that favors the pact.
“If pillar 2 fails then AUKUS fails, because we could have just had a submarine deal — albeit a very big submarine deal,” they said.……
U.K. Foreign Secretary David Cameron and U.K. Defense Secretary Grant Shapps travel to Australia this week to hold meetings with their Australian counterparts.
The pair will also meet with Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who is expected to provide a public update on the core submarine project amid fears in Canberra that America's decision to scale down submarine production could put the AUKUS deal in jeopardy.
Messmer warned that a second Trump presidency is a “big risk” to the future of the entire AUKUS deal, as the U.S. has to loan Australia several submarines as a part of the deal while new ones are being built.
“If Trump is unwilling to deliver because they don’t want to spare the subs or don’t want to anger China that could definitely jeopardise the Aukus agreement,” she said.
“That prospect is frightening officials in Australia now.”…..
