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The option for 2 additional Virginia’s is only there in case there are lengthy delays with the SSN-A program & are thus needed to fill the gaps as the Collins class retires. I’m sure that everyone involved is hoping that they are not necessary due to the high additional costs.
The aim is for the RAN to end up with a single fleet of 8 SSN-A’s with the Collins & Virginia’s retired.
I would not be surprised if, assuming funding becomes available, the RN will want more than 7 SSN-A’s as they are finding their current fleet is stretched.
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The aim is for the RAN to end up with a single fleet of 8 SSN-A’s
Hopefully, Australia will learn that the smart way to build big things like subs is to always have one on the production line. If they have a 33-year lifespan, we need to be building one every 4 years. When we need a newer model down the track, we modify the existing production line. Not close it down, sack everyone and then go "oh, wow, look how much it's gonna cost us to start a whole new sub-building industry again".
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However, the clock doesn't stop when we get to 8 SSN-A's.
Hopefully, Australia will learn that the smart way to build big things like subs is to always have one on the production line. If they have a 33-year lifespan, we need to be building one every 4 years. When we need a newer model down the track, we modify the existing production line. Not close it down, sack everyone and then go "oh, wow, look how much it's gonna cost us to start a whole new sub-building industry again".
Hopefully, Australia will learn that the smart way to build big things like subs is to always have one on the production line. If they have a 33-year lifespan, we need to be building one every 4 years. When we need a newer model down the track, we modify the existing production line. Not close it down, sack everyone and then go "oh, wow, look how much it's gonna cost us to start a whole new sub-building industry again".
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What is the planned size of the Australian production hall?
If it’s similar to that at Barrow it would hold 3 subs in construction - one finishing build, one mid-build and one starting. Assuming a 10-12 year build time that’s one entering service every 5-6 years, which with a 30 year life would be able to maintain a fleet size of 5-6 boats.
An experienced team might get that down to 8 years - the current time to build a Virginia class, rolling one off the stocks every 4 years, which would maintain a fleet of 7-8 boats.
After that you are looking a hall/line able to build 4 at a time.
If it’s similar to that at Barrow it would hold 3 subs in construction - one finishing build, one mid-build and one starting. Assuming a 10-12 year build time that’s one entering service every 5-6 years, which with a 30 year life would be able to maintain a fleet size of 5-6 boats.
An experienced team might get that down to 8 years - the current time to build a Virginia class, rolling one off the stocks every 4 years, which would maintain a fleet of 7-8 boats.
After that you are looking a hall/line able to build 4 at a time.
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This pic shows the planned development for the Osborne site. The olive green buildings are existing and the white buildings (& grey paved area) are planned to be built.
The large green shed on the left is where final construction of the Hunter/Type 26 Frigates is underway (capable of two side by side) with further buildings not shown where sections are assembled. The surface ship building area is known as ASC South.
The slightly smaller green building leading to a ship lift is where the, now cancelled, Attack class submarines were to have been built and is the site where the Collins class were originally built and now have their 2 year Full Cycle Docking (every 10 years). This is where ASC North (submarine) starts and will be expanded very significantly.
Those buildings will give a reference for the size of all the planned buildings. It is a massive area of land and, when it’s complete, it will be a very modern, digital, parts manufacturing and submarine assembly complex. The final assembly hall is on the right side adjacent to a very high capacity ship lift. The area is considerably larger than what is in use at Barrow.
The unused section in the middle is the Mutton Cove Conservation Reserve which is off limits to any development.
Future plans for ASC North
Hunter class frigate final assembly hall
The large green shed on the left is where final construction of the Hunter/Type 26 Frigates is underway (capable of two side by side) with further buildings not shown where sections are assembled. The surface ship building area is known as ASC South.
The slightly smaller green building leading to a ship lift is where the, now cancelled, Attack class submarines were to have been built and is the site where the Collins class were originally built and now have their 2 year Full Cycle Docking (every 10 years). This is where ASC North (submarine) starts and will be expanded very significantly.
Those buildings will give a reference for the size of all the planned buildings. It is a massive area of land and, when it’s complete, it will be a very modern, digital, parts manufacturing and submarine assembly complex. The final assembly hall is on the right side adjacent to a very high capacity ship lift. The area is considerably larger than what is in use at Barrow.
The unused section in the middle is the Mutton Cove Conservation Reserve which is off limits to any development.
Future plans for ASC North
Hunter class frigate final assembly hall
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I posted some shots of the undeveloped site in #1448 back in October. Its a massive area alright and should allow for an optimised layout .
Its going to be a major employer just building the place.
I know a lot of S Australians are hoping it will restore some engineering jobs that were lost there from the 1970's onwards
Its going to be a major employer just building the place.
I know a lot of S Australians are hoping it will restore some engineering jobs that were lost there from the 1970's onwards
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I posted some shots of the undeveloped site in #1448 back in October. Its a massive area alright and should allow for an optimised layout .
Its going to be a major employer just building the place.
I know a lot of S Australians are hoping it will restore some engineering jobs that were lost there from the 1970's onwards
Its going to be a major employer just building the place.
I know a lot of S Australians are hoping it will restore some engineering jobs that were lost there from the 1970's onwards
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More infrastructure in support of Defence members involved with the Submarine and Frigate construction has been announced.
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/in...d-near-osborne
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/in...d-near-osborne
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The Royal Navy’s latest Astute Class submarine has been officially named at BAE Systems’ Submarines site in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria. Agamemnon - named after the ancient Greek king - is the sixth of seven Astute submarines being built by the Company. Here's the video.
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We have China's attention. Let's hope they take it seriously.
AUKUS expansion to 'undermine peace' (ecns.cn)
China is gravely concerned about the potential expansion of the Australia-United Kingdom-United States trilateral security alliance, saying that it would severely undermine peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region, the Ministry of National Defense said on Thursday.
Wu Qian, the ministry's spokesman, made the remarks at a news conference in Beijing in response to reports that Japan has expressed its intention to join AUKUS and that Canada is considering starting negotiations on joining the security alliance.
"We are open to normal military cooperation between any countries, but we firmly oppose relevant countries forming exclusive groupings, building bilateral or multilateral military alliances targeting China, creating division and stoking bloc confrontation,"
AUKUS expansion to 'undermine peace' (ecns.cn)
China is gravely concerned about the potential expansion of the Australia-United Kingdom-United States trilateral security alliance, saying that it would severely undermine peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region, the Ministry of National Defense said on Thursday.
Wu Qian, the ministry's spokesman, made the remarks at a news conference in Beijing in response to reports that Japan has expressed its intention to join AUKUS and that Canada is considering starting negotiations on joining the security alliance.
"We are open to normal military cooperation between any countries, but we firmly oppose relevant countries forming exclusive groupings, building bilateral or multilateral military alliances targeting China, creating division and stoking bloc confrontation,"
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The circus continues to put on a show.
More than 100 lawmakers call for appropriators to restore Navy’s second Virginia-class sub
The letter is the latest sign lawmakers have rejected the Navy’s argument that the cut was a strategic one due to a construction backlog, though some key signatures are missing.
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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...s-other-allies
South Korea brings hypersonic tech to the AUKUS table in a sign Seoul is moving closer to the US and its other allies
South Korean Defence Minister Shin Won-sik has confirmed Seoul is in talks to take part in Pillar 2 of the defence alliance
South Korea brings hypersonic tech to the AUKUS table in a sign Seoul is moving closer to the US and its other allies
South Korean Defence Minister Shin Won-sik has confirmed Seoul is in talks to take part in Pillar 2 of the defence alliance
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...some-may-help/
US Navy’s submarine fleet is too small. Here’s how selling some may help.
This is the first story of a two-part series on how the U.S. submarine force is participating in the trilateral AUKUS alliance. Click here to read the second story.
US Navy’s submarine fleet is too small. Here’s how selling some may help.
This is the first story of a two-part series on how the U.S. submarine force is participating in the trilateral AUKUS alliance. Click here to read the second story.
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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...some-may-help/
US Navy’s submarine fleet is too small. Here’s how selling some may help.
This is the first story of a two-part series on how the U.S. submarine force is participating in the trilateral AUKUS alliance. Click here to read the second story.
US Navy’s submarine fleet is too small. Here’s how selling some may help.
This is the first story of a two-part series on how the U.S. submarine force is participating in the trilateral AUKUS alliance. Click here to read the second story.
"No one has ever accused the US of being altruistic. The US wants to forward deploy to Australia. They need nuke sub infrastructure and manpower. It is better for the US, to have Australia with a few of their nuke subs. The main sub is going to be the UK/AU. It's actually a disadvantage to Australia to run 2 types of attack subs. There will be more articles with FUD headlines than I could count over the next 10 years. Congress will also play their games. At the end of the day the primes are going to make money and let's face it. That's all that matters."
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Australia:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0240526-p5jgom
Questions surface over fast-tracked $10b warships
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0240526-p5jgom
Questions surface over fast-tracked $10b warships
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Answer given and clickbait continues.
Asked what changes would be allowed, a Defence Department spokesman said: “The General Purpose Frigate program is now in an evaluation process and Defence will not comment while the process is being conducted to protect commercial, procurement and probity processes.”
Asked what changes would be allowed, a Defence Department spokesman said: “The General Purpose Frigate program is now in an evaluation process and Defence will not comment while the process is being conducted to protect commercial, procurement and probity processes.”