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I dont understand the aging part, we recieved this year the first of the Block 8 upgraded C-130J's
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The RAF have a few C-130s for sale. https://assets.publishing.service.go...ochure_34_.pdf
Reading the brochure, I think the RAF should keep them, but then, as an ageing Hercules pilot, what would I know?
Reading the brochure, I think the RAF should keep them, but then, as an ageing Hercules pilot, what would I know?
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The RAF have a few C-130s for sale. https://assets.publishing.service.go...ochure_34_.pdf
Reading the brochure, I think the RAF should keep them, but then, as an ageing Hercules pilot, what would I know?
Reading the brochure, I think the RAF should keep them, but then, as an ageing Hercules pilot, what would I know?
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Perhaps it's not so much the 'ageing' part & more about doubling the fleet size. Doubling the current fleet would mean (possibly) the costs involved for the upgrade & twice as many 20-odd year old airframes. Biting the bullet & renewing the fleet might be a wise move as upgraded Hercs would be worth more you'd assume. (Don't mind me. Idle thoughts from the sideline)
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Perhaps it's not so much the 'ageing' part & more about doubling the fleet size. Doubling the current fleet would mean (possibly) the costs involved for the upgrade & twice as many 20-odd year old airframes. Biting the bullet & renewing the fleet might be a wise move as upgraded Hercs would be worth more you'd assume. (Don't mind me. Idle thoughts from the sideline)
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13 of the RAF fleet are the longer -30 model but they do have one J model that is the shorter (standard) length - it could be very useful for the RAAF to use as a dedicated Special Forces deployment aircraft.
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Not exactly. Yes, the RAAF aircraft (all C-130J-30s) were delivered from late 1999.
The RAF aircraft of course comprised the two J-subtypes, the C.4s (C-130J-30) delivered in 1998, the shorter C.5s (C-130J) delivered same timeframe as the RAAF over 1999-2000.
So apples vs apples, RAF C-130J-30s in 1998, RAAF tad later 1999-2000.
The RAF aircraft of course comprised the two J-subtypes, the C.4s (C-130J-30) delivered in 1998, the shorter C.5s (C-130J) delivered same timeframe as the RAAF over 1999-2000.
So apples vs apples, RAF C-130J-30s in 1998, RAAF tad later 1999-2000.
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I thought that the RAF has already retired their early delivery C130-J’s and the remaining 14 are from a newer batch but, with further research, I found that all 25 RAF C130-J’s were included in the original order placed in December 1994. The delivery dates indicate that they are a very similar age to the RAAF fleet.
The following is from Wikipedia:
”Shorter range, tactical-airlift transport is provided by the Lockheed Martin C-130J Hercules, known as the Hercules C4 (C-130J-30) and Hercules C5 (C-130J) in RAF service, based at RAF Brize Norton and flown by No. 47 Squadron. Twenty-five C-130Js were originally ordered in December 1994 (15 C4s and ten C5s), the first Hercules C4 to be delivered was ZH865 in August 1998, with the first Hercules C5 (ZH881) in May 1999. The 2010 SDSR called for the retirement of the Hercules fleet by 2022, with the 2015 SDSR amending this to maintaining the fourteen Hercules C4s until 2030. The draw-down of the Hercules C5 fleet began in 2016, with two left in service by December 2020. The fourteen C4 extended variants were scheduled to retire on 31 March 2035. However, due to the crash of Hercules C4 ZH873 in August 2017, one Hercules C5 was retained to keep the fleet at 14 aircraft. The 2021 Defence Command Paper brought forward the retirement of the Hercules fleet to 2023.”
The following is from Wikipedia:
”Shorter range, tactical-airlift transport is provided by the Lockheed Martin C-130J Hercules, known as the Hercules C4 (C-130J-30) and Hercules C5 (C-130J) in RAF service, based at RAF Brize Norton and flown by No. 47 Squadron. Twenty-five C-130Js were originally ordered in December 1994 (15 C4s and ten C5s), the first Hercules C4 to be delivered was ZH865 in August 1998, with the first Hercules C5 (ZH881) in May 1999. The 2010 SDSR called for the retirement of the Hercules fleet by 2022, with the 2015 SDSR amending this to maintaining the fourteen Hercules C4s until 2030. The draw-down of the Hercules C5 fleet began in 2016, with two left in service by December 2020. The fourteen C4 extended variants were scheduled to retire on 31 March 2035. However, due to the crash of Hercules C4 ZH873 in August 2017, one Hercules C5 was retained to keep the fleet at 14 aircraft. The 2021 Defence Command Paper brought forward the retirement of the Hercules fleet to 2023.”
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‘A simple [ITAR] circuit breaker’ needed for Aussie nuke subs: Rep. Courtney
If Australia needs US tech for its AUKUS upgrade, arms transfer legislation could get in the way, unless Congress acts, says key US lawmaker.
A blanket exemption for Australia from the International Traffic in Arms Regulations and related legislation pertaining to nuclear submarines may be the best way for Congress and the Pentagon to clear the decks so the Royal Australian Navy can get nuclear attack boats in the water before the Collins-class subs are retired, according to a key US lawmaker.
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***BREAKING***
Royal Navy's new attack submarine, SSNR, will (highly likely) have a VLS. This is a major break from the Astute class but makes a lot of sense strategically.
https://t.co/KdEbEdFL1O
Royal Navy's new attack submarine, SSNR, will (highly likely) have a VLS. This is a major break from the Astute class but makes a lot of sense strategically.
https://t.co/KdEbEdFL1O
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Astute was born into and out of a sh*it sandwich of a situation, caused in large part by a complete loss of expertise following a lengthy gap in orders, which took years to recover from. We are not in that situation now - Dreadnaught is following seamlessly from Astute, and future attack submarine should follow seamlessly from Dreadnaught. It IS a few years off, but that reflects the pipeline of deliveries rather than any Astute-era car crash..
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From that Covert Shores article.
(Astute class) are the only subs outside the U.S. Navy able to launch the Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles, a capability which sets them apart.
This is not correct. The Spanish S-80 class submarines have TTL Tomahawk capability. TTL Tomahawk is out of production and Tomahawk Block 5 has never been produced in TTL format.
The RN is having its stockpile of Block 4 TTL Tomahawks upgraded to Block 5 and the RN and RAN want Raytheon to offer new build Block 5 TTL Tomahawk to maintain capability (RN) and additional capability (RAN for Collins class capability upgrade).
The Marine Nationale use horizontal launch Scalp Naval, which would be another option for the RAN
(Astute class) are the only subs outside the U.S. Navy able to launch the Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles, a capability which sets them apart.
This is not correct. The Spanish S-80 class submarines have TTL Tomahawk capability. TTL Tomahawk is out of production and Tomahawk Block 5 has never been produced in TTL format.
The RN is having its stockpile of Block 4 TTL Tomahawks upgraded to Block 5 and the RN and RAN want Raytheon to offer new build Block 5 TTL Tomahawk to maintain capability (RN) and additional capability (RAN for Collins class capability upgrade).
The Marine Nationale use horizontal launch Scalp Naval, which would be another option for the RAN
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