617 Sqn Grave Vandalised!
https://www.change.org/p/r-a-f-scamp...7560-en-gb%3A4
wont make the slightest bit of difference but there is a petition to get the grave de vandalised
wont make the slightest bit of difference but there is a petition to get the grave de vandalised
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Maybe it's time to disband 617 Sqn and confine it to history. Hopefully then the dogs name and Moehne breach codeword can be forgotten about. That way all the snowflakes can be happy again.
#TheyDiedSoSnowflakesCanWhinge
#TheyDiedSoSnowflakesCanWhinge
Although being dark blue I don't really have a dog in this fight, I would be intrigued to have a glimpse of all the relevant paperwork leading up to the decision to alter the memorial.
On a lighter note, I'm also intrigued that no one has pointed out either the "Black Labs Matter", or that there are unlikely to be any 17 year old LACs, whatever their creed or colour.
Jack
On a lighter note, I'm also intrigued that no one has pointed out either the "Black Labs Matter", or that there are unlikely to be any 17 year old LACs, whatever their creed or colour.
Jack
You may not have a dog in the fight old boy, but you certainly have a few pussies! It would seem that Nigger was a common name for a ship’s cat if they were black...
http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/...ger03-crew.jpg
http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/...ger04-jump.jpg
If you want to find Nigger from HMS RECLAIM then the cat’s grave is in 300 ft of water in Taormina Bay. Turn to page 9 of the following link: http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/RN_Diving_Ma...Vol_4_No_2.pdf
Then of course there is always HMS NIGER, 8 of them to be exact - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Niger
So, standby for history cancelation. Indeed, I believe that various Boards of the tri-Services need to watch a bit of Jonathan Pie to understand what they are doing...
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Many, many years ago, one of my Eng Lit O'Level set texts was a work by Joseph Conrad, and titled "The N***** on the Narcissus".
What happens to that now??
What happens to that now??
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Used to be able to get 'Darkie' toothpaste in Thailand, then the name was changed to Darlie.
So why not just change the name of the dog. Apart from its original short name the name
'Nigel' comes to mind.
So why not just change the name of the dog. Apart from its original short name the name
'Nigel' comes to mind.
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Snowflakes
I’m very sorry but I think many of you are conflating two subtly different issues.
The wider trend for erasing history is not something I agree with.
I believe I have made it quite clear, though, that when it comes to the dog’s name I believe the actions taken at Scampton are the correct course. This is not me swallowing a loyalty pill or being a snowflake.
I am very glad that the RAF I belong to is willing to take the unpopular (amongst some) action of doing something that is actually the morally correct thing to do.
If someone were to advocate removing a statue of Guy Gibson on the grounds that his choice of pet name made him a racist I would be right with you at the front of the outrage bus.
I think you need to separate this from the statue toppling and book burning antics and ask yourself why the name of the dog matters to you so much.
Do you really want the prevailing narrative about the legend of the Dambusters to be about GG’s dog? Or would you rather people knew and heard about the incredible and heroic missions they undertook?
Call me a snowflake if you wish (if you knew me you’d know that is not true) but I just think, on this issue, the ire of many is misplaced.
BV
The wider trend for erasing history is not something I agree with.
I believe I have made it quite clear, though, that when it comes to the dog’s name I believe the actions taken at Scampton are the correct course. This is not me swallowing a loyalty pill or being a snowflake.
I am very glad that the RAF I belong to is willing to take the unpopular (amongst some) action of doing something that is actually the morally correct thing to do.
If someone were to advocate removing a statue of Guy Gibson on the grounds that his choice of pet name made him a racist I would be right with you at the front of the outrage bus.
I think you need to separate this from the statue toppling and book burning antics and ask yourself why the name of the dog matters to you so much.
Do you really want the prevailing narrative about the legend of the Dambusters to be about GG’s dog? Or would you rather people knew and heard about the incredible and heroic missions they undertook?
Call me a snowflake if you wish (if you knew me you’d know that is not true) but I just think, on this issue, the ire of many is misplaced.
BV
Being a white middle class pilot in a pretty exclusive white middle class world I have never been on the receiving end of any persecution (being forced to change the name of a dog on a gravestone is not persecution). What I have got from the recent protests around this issue is that we really haven't been very nice to a large swathe of the worlds population for a long time. For those above that complain about history being re-written, history is generally written by the victors and persecutors, history is an interpretation of facts and events, it is a fluid thing. Calling dogs 'nigger' or referring to a colour as 'nigger brown' probably was offensive to people back then, they just didn't have a voice and didn't write the subsequent history. If small gestures like saying we will remove an offensive name or take down statues which celebrate slave traders can go someway to making reparations for some pretty dark times, and can make some members of our society feel less persecuted then I am all for it. It is so easy, as with all things today to completely polarise the issue to either: Snowflake - get rid of anything or anyone with any reference or context of racism or indeed anything I don't like, to Gammon - It is British history, my granny said 'nigger' we can't change anything, screw you. The solution clearly lies somewhere in the middle with a bit of a cultural shift, hopefully.
"Do you really want the prevailing narrative about the legend of the Dambusters to be about GG's dog? Or would you rather people knew and heard about the incredible and heroic missions they undertook?"
Well said Bob - it's 6 pages on here about the (now) offensive name of a dog - which didn't even go on the mission.
Well said Bob - it's 6 pages on here about the (now) offensive name of a dog - which didn't even go on the mission.