Inappropriate trophy photos
[quote the photo of Lt David Morgan in his Harrier,][/quote]
That was actually Flt. Lt. Dave Morgan RAF ( Before he defected back to the Senior Service
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With modification from a previous conflict photo quote In ( another) -Theatre
"If you can't take a joke , you shouldn't have joined the Taliban".
I realise the sensitivities incurred and fully appreciate the stupid and inappropriate forwarding of this image in to the Public domain.
Yeah.
That was actually Flt. Lt. Dave Morgan RAF ( Before he defected back to the Senior Service
)With modification from a previous conflict photo quote In ( another) -Theatre
"If you can't take a joke , you shouldn't have joined the Taliban".
I realise the sensitivities incurred and fully appreciate the stupid and inappropriate forwarding of this image in to the Public domain.
Yeah.
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Here's a pic just for you. Not a smile or thumbs up in sight (so nothing offensive then).
It does show someone's loved one, but also shows the world isn't a rosy place where everyone considers everyone's else's feelings at all times
Here's a pic just for you. Not a smile or thumbs up in sight (so nothing offensive then).
It does show someone's loved one, but also shows the world isn't a rosy place where everyone considers everyone's else's feelings at all times
Suspicion breeds confidence
Frankly I don't give a shi1t what the family of a murdering insurgent/terrorist (call them what you will). The only good one is a dead one. Well done to the chap concerned for despatching yet another enemy.
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So Victory rolls, V-signs, and Jolly Rogers are out too?
Everyone will remember Conqueror returning from the Falklands.
Everyone will remember Conqueror returning from the Falklands.
PN,
"Everyone will remember Conqueror returning from the Falklands"
When you consider that it was approximately 32 years ago, quite a few people reading this thread might not actually 'remember' the incident you refer to....
"Everyone will remember Conqueror returning from the Falklands"
When you consider that it was approximately 32 years ago, quite a few people reading this thread might not actually 'remember' the incident you refer to....
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No, pontius, there are two very big differences; firstly the close proximity of human remains-and, like naval eye, I don't care about his family either. But it's still clearly the wrong thing and gifts a (small) propaganda advantage to our enemies. More importantly, we lost most of our deployed fast jets! It can't, even with the most positive spin be described as a victory.
Those who think a photo of a dying British soldier being given the last rites by a priest has the same moral equivalence as that of a British (or whatever nationality) soldier gloating over the dead body of an enemy combatant don't get the point.
Those who think that celebrating a successful combat mission with a thumbs-up on the return to your ship, or by raising the Jolly Roger on return to your home port is the same as gloating over the dead body of an enemy combatant don't get the point either.
The issue here isn't the posting of a picture of a dead body, or of a picture of servicemen celebrating a successful mission, the issue (and the only one) is of serving British soldiers gloating over the carcass of a dead human being (not a dog, as one poster referred to them as).
I think most folks here actually do get that (as evidenced by that raft of strange and rather bizarre alternative explanations coming forward as to what the thumbs-up might actually mean - why come up with alternative explanations if giving a thumbs-up over a corpse is ok?)
Anyhow, I've said all I have to say on the subject, and as some folks agree with me and some clearly don't, I'll leave it there. I've read that the internet is good for two things - looking at pictures of cats and arguing with strangers. I don't want to spend my Saturday night arguing with strangers, so am going to look at some photos of cats....
Those who think that celebrating a successful combat mission with a thumbs-up on the return to your ship, or by raising the Jolly Roger on return to your home port is the same as gloating over the dead body of an enemy combatant don't get the point either.
The issue here isn't the posting of a picture of a dead body, or of a picture of servicemen celebrating a successful mission, the issue (and the only one) is of serving British soldiers gloating over the carcass of a dead human being (not a dog, as one poster referred to them as).
I think most folks here actually do get that (as evidenced by that raft of strange and rather bizarre alternative explanations coming forward as to what the thumbs-up might actually mean - why come up with alternative explanations if giving a thumbs-up over a corpse is ok?)
Anyhow, I've said all I have to say on the subject, and as some folks agree with me and some clearly don't, I'll leave it there. I've read that the internet is good for two things - looking at pictures of cats and arguing with strangers. I don't want to spend my Saturday night arguing with strangers, so am going to look at some photos of cats....
Suspicion breeds confidence
I've got a picture of me holding a dead rat that I shot as a kid. Difficult buggers to hit and I have more respect for them than I do the Taliban. Is that wrong?
His 'point' Hempy is that it's wrong for British soldiers to take trophy photos of themselves gloating over the bodies of dead enemy combatants. Or did I miss something?
Those who think a photo of a dying British soldier being given the last rites by a priest has the same moral equivalence as that of a British (or whatever nationality) soldier gloating over the dead body of an enemy combatant don't get the point.
You're going to have to explain that one Training Risky, don't follow your thread.
Absolutely, which is exactly why when you're trying to win hearts and minds photos such as this can set a counterinsurgency campaign back years.
Speaking as someone who does understand the intricacies of a counter-terrorist campaign, I'd say he got it about right on post #16.
Absolutely, which is exactly why when you're trying to win hearts and minds photos such as this can set a counterinsurgency campaign back years.
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Yes, and thank goodness we have impressive (former) senior officers such as Col. Kemp to put forward a reasoned and sympathetic defence case and not some of the buffoonish comments here -with notable exceptions such as melmoth.
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Melmothtw said:
Those who think a photo of a dying British soldier being given the last rites by a priest has the same moral equivalence as that of a British (or whatever nationality) soldier gloating over the dead body of an enemy combatant don't get the point.
Assuming that refers to the pic I posted, then clearly NO I don't think it has the same moral equivalent..............which I suppose is why I pointed out the differences (no one is gloating in my pic, but I'd wager it had a much bigger effect on policy at local and strategic level, both in military and political terms)!
I also wouldn't choose to assume I knew the feeling of the rock in the picture. He may have been gloating but he may not, and MAY have just been happy not to be dead.
There are similar things which I also pointed out in that the pics show that people don't always consider each other's feelings.
One of the major differences is that some of the people who may have rejoiced in the condition of the British solder in the pic I posted were given 'get out of jail free' letters by HMG and later even got invited to dine with the queen.
Melmoth may have seen a lot more dead soldiers than me, may have seen a lot less, but I can only speak from my own perspective of things and after a very stressful situation I've seen people do all sorts of funny things.
Conflict is an odd thing, and its rules are not always sensible IMHO. A British soldier in WW2 who theoretically shot a German baby in the head would be guilty of a crime, while the deaths of many hundreds of women and children during the dam busters raids were fair game. In fact the whole thing was so approved of the Brits made a film of the raid with one of the saddest parts being the death of a dog!
Those who think a photo of a dying British soldier being given the last rites by a priest has the same moral equivalence as that of a British (or whatever nationality) soldier gloating over the dead body of an enemy combatant don't get the point.
Assuming that refers to the pic I posted, then clearly NO I don't think it has the same moral equivalent..............which I suppose is why I pointed out the differences (no one is gloating in my pic, but I'd wager it had a much bigger effect on policy at local and strategic level, both in military and political terms)!
I also wouldn't choose to assume I knew the feeling of the rock in the picture. He may have been gloating but he may not, and MAY have just been happy not to be dead.
There are similar things which I also pointed out in that the pics show that people don't always consider each other's feelings.
One of the major differences is that some of the people who may have rejoiced in the condition of the British solder in the pic I posted were given 'get out of jail free' letters by HMG and later even got invited to dine with the queen.
Melmoth may have seen a lot more dead soldiers than me, may have seen a lot less, but I can only speak from my own perspective of things and after a very stressful situation I've seen people do all sorts of funny things.
Conflict is an odd thing, and its rules are not always sensible IMHO. A British soldier in WW2 who theoretically shot a German baby in the head would be guilty of a crime, while the deaths of many hundreds of women and children during the dam busters raids were fair game. In fact the whole thing was so approved of the Brits made a film of the raid with one of the saddest parts being the death of a dog!
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So it seems you are happy with killing bit, you just don't want any photos implying you are happy about it? In fact, please just dont remind us of the killing they are doing at our behest at all?
And don't even start with this 'hearts and minds' rubbish. It worked well in Malaya, but everyone knows it's been nothing but a political millstone ever since.