Inappropriate trophy photos
Hardly left-wing twaddle!
I've just reached for Harris's 'International Law', only to realise that it's packed up again in anticipation of my next move. In essence, conventions requires States Parties (albeit erga omnes) to respect the dead (including appropriate bural rites) and thus treat bodies with dignity. I'm not sure having a grinning twerp in front of a body is particuarly dignified, so loosely, very loosely, these photos could be construed as scampering around the outer edges of undignified treatment. As I mentioned before, more a measure of immaturity of the SP involved, rather than an act to denigrate the dead - whoever they are. Whether some of the contributors to this thread like it or not, we live in a Rules-based society, even more so in the Services.
But why, oh why, do people take pictures like these - especially as there was a high chance that they'd hit the streets? Photos like these do no good to anyone; comparing them with, say, WWII images is disingenuous as well - different times, different mores. 'We didn't have women fighter pilots in 1940, therefore we shouldn't have them now' is the similar logic that has been displayed. The world has moved on guys; where I work now, a simple swear word such as 'bollox' will cause heads to turn and engender a swift rebuke. Repeated swearing could see me RTU'd without appeal, and claiming that we always used to swear at work is absolutely no defence. A colleague recently got sacked from post for circulating a very mild, sexist joke. Again, different times, different mores.
I've just reached for Harris's 'International Law', only to realise that it's packed up again in anticipation of my next move. In essence, conventions requires States Parties (albeit erga omnes) to respect the dead (including appropriate bural rites) and thus treat bodies with dignity. I'm not sure having a grinning twerp in front of a body is particuarly dignified, so loosely, very loosely, these photos could be construed as scampering around the outer edges of undignified treatment. As I mentioned before, more a measure of immaturity of the SP involved, rather than an act to denigrate the dead - whoever they are. Whether some of the contributors to this thread like it or not, we live in a Rules-based society, even more so in the Services.
But why, oh why, do people take pictures like these - especially as there was a high chance that they'd hit the streets? Photos like these do no good to anyone; comparing them with, say, WWII images is disingenuous as well - different times, different mores. 'We didn't have women fighter pilots in 1940, therefore we shouldn't have them now' is the similar logic that has been displayed. The world has moved on guys; where I work now, a simple swear word such as 'bollox' will cause heads to turn and engender a swift rebuke. Repeated swearing could see me RTU'd without appeal, and claiming that we always used to swear at work is absolutely no defence. A colleague recently got sacked from post for circulating a very mild, sexist joke. Again, different times, different mores.
A colleague recently got sacked from post for circulating a very mild, sexist joke. Again, different times, different mores.
Thank goodness my old colleagues still circulate non-PC humour
Whenurhappy, wasn't, perchance, this one?
A mother took her five-year-old son with her to the bank on a busy lunchtime.
They got behind a very fat woman wearing a business suit complete with pager.
After waiting patiently for a few minutes, the little boy said loudly,
"Wow, She's fat!”
The mother bent down and whispered in the little boy's ear to be quiet..
A couple more minutes passed by and the little boy stretched his arms out as far
As they would go and announced; "I'll bet her bum is this wide!"
The fat woman turned around and glared at the little boy.
The mother gave him a good telling off, and told him to be quiet.
After a brief lull, the large woman reached the front of the queue.
Just then her pager began to emit a "beep, beep, beep"
The little boy yelled out, "Run for your f*****g life, she's reversing!!"
They got behind a very fat woman wearing a business suit complete with pager.
After waiting patiently for a few minutes, the little boy said loudly,
"Wow, She's fat!”
The mother bent down and whispered in the little boy's ear to be quiet..
A couple more minutes passed by and the little boy stretched his arms out as far
As they would go and announced; "I'll bet her bum is this wide!"
The fat woman turned around and glared at the little boy.
The mother gave him a good telling off, and told him to be quiet.
After a brief lull, the large woman reached the front of the queue.
Just then her pager began to emit a "beep, beep, beep"
The little boy yelled out, "Run for your f*****g life, she's reversing!!"
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That sounds like my son.
A few years ago when he was about 7-8 we went to a diner for lunch. A very large man walked into sight. The think it, don't say it filter malfunctioned as he said to no one specifically, but within earshot of many, "that dudes huge"
The next stop was the Doctors office to have his sister's arm cast looked at. As we walked in the office, the boy saw a man without a leg, again, to no one in particular but at an elevated voice he said "that's bad". Thankfully the gentleman and his companion got a kick out of his honesty.
Next day we were in a very minor car accident. Rear ended by a young teen driver who was only in her second month of driving. Given she was new, she became very emotional and apologized profusely for rear ending us. My son, speaking this time specifically to her accepted her apology and then said " you're not a very good driver"
It's taken a few years to see the humor in it, surely didn't at the time.
That sounds like my son.
A few years ago when he was about 7-8 we went to a diner for lunch. A very large man walked into sight. The think it, don't say it filter malfunctioned as he said to no one specifically, but within earshot of many, "that dudes huge"
The next stop was the Doctors office to have his sister's arm cast looked at. As we walked in the office, the boy saw a man without a leg, again, to no one in particular but at an elevated voice he said "that's bad". Thankfully the gentleman and his companion got a kick out of his honesty.
Next day we were in a very minor car accident. Rear ended by a young teen driver who was only in her second month of driving. Given she was new, she became very emotional and apologized profusely for rear ending us. My son, speaking this time specifically to her accepted her apology and then said " you're not a very good driver"
It's taken a few years to see the humor in it, surely didn't at the time.
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Thank goodness my old colleagues still circulate non-PC humour
I know - it's because of the likes of me that we haven't got an Empire any more, the sun never set, gawd bless 'the Queen Muvva, etc.
because those grand old traditions of misogyny, sexism and casual racism need to be maintained?
because those grand old traditions of misogyny, sexism and casual racism need to be maintained?
You know...the ones who re-invent the definitions of such terms quoted above to suit their political needs, and constantly go looking for imagined transgressions in normal society while ignoring the real examples of oppression found around the world.
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Intruding on private argument here and from an outsider's perspective. What I find hard is the abject lunacy of having your identifiable mug photographed and allowing it to be posted in such a stupid way. Even worse, the moron who thought it funny to post it. Do these people not read the guardian?
The world has gone mad my brothers, witness the poor guy on BBC Devon, and now we have sandwich shops who will only do halal so as not to offend the muslims, which is as daft as only selling vegetarian sandwiches in a general sandwich shop.
But to continue the thread drift on child-speak, 20 years ago Mrs W was parking the car on a steeply sloping car park in Honiton. After sweating at a few "forward and backwards" she was in, at which point Master W, then 5, said" Mum, if you had reversed in you would not have had that trouble". Mrs W speechless (now there's a one-off!)
But to continue the thread drift on child-speak, 20 years ago Mrs W was parking the car on a steeply sloping car park in Honiton. After sweating at a few "forward and backwards" she was in, at which point Master W, then 5, said" Mum, if you had reversed in you would not have had that trouble". Mrs W speechless (now there's a one-off!)
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If they are so outraged about a smiling soldier next to a dead enemy surely then they MUST be positively apoplectic about all the innocent civilians killed every day in Iraq for example?
I actually think it's simply a piss weak intentional self delusion because they don't have the emotional or moral courage to actually look at the real ugly world and their own part in it. Unfortunately though by taking on a self promoted, ersatz, moral high ground, they are inadvertently advertising their own weakness.
Oh, and don't argue your opinion with them, they will simply scream their mantra loud and often (count the posts in this thread by author. Despite 'leaving' several times, who comes out on top?) in an amazing imitation of a 2 y/o with his fingers in his ears yelling "I'm not listening to you!"
Don't expect them to consider another point of view, it would require too much introspection. It's fine to look down on them though...they'll be indignant of course, but they wont ever actually DO anything.
Except write to the editor.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10820149/Images-of-war-must-be-seen-in-context.html
Some don't have the fortitude to even contemplate it; arrogance breeds assumption.
Those at home who are eager harshly to condemn these servicemen for poor judgment, in circumstances where such men have themselves faced the possibility of death, might first want to contemplate walking through a Taliban firefight in their boots.
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the ones who re-invent the definitions of such terms quoted above to suit their political needs
