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Old 4th May 2014, 15:14
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Peter,

The only way you'll change his view is to reverse his lobotomy.

But then again, he can have those views and has the right to air them, as this Country allows him too, unlike some he is discussing.
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RT has an agenda but its far more reliable than any western media. The western media fails to ask the tough questions that should be asked of our leaders and to hold them to account. with western governments its just lies, lies and more lies. Do you guys not remember Iraq, ie Gulf War 2, you know back in 2003? What a disaster that has been. How about the disaster that is now Libya?
You will forgive me if I feel western governments have no credibility left at all. With them its just one disaster after another.
These western politicians are like little babies throwing their toys from their pram when they cannot have their own way ie in Syria and now Ukraine.
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Old 4th May 2014, 18:15
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So.....then...what is RT's agenda then?

Yah, it sounds like a rhetorical question, but I'd be curious how a Russian or a Russian wannabe answers
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It also appears that our ronald reagan has totally forgotten the Russian invasion in 2008 and current occupation of areas of Georgia.

On a different professional pilot website (pay site) there is a Russian that could be our ronald reagan, he is a Russian handling agent based in Moscow. Like our ronald reagan he follows the RT/Putin propaganda to the letter. Only RT tells the truth, BBC, CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. all lie.

Ronald reagan of PPruNe is a shill, promoting the lies of Putin.

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Well I would say its to embarrass as much as possible our western governments, to make them look bad and useless (not really hard), to show the Russian point of view. It makes a refreshing change from western news media. Come on West Coast, I suggest you watch RT every day this week, then to keep watching it. It will show you what is really going on!
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con-pilot, Russia went into Georgia to free the Russian people there from danger. It was a true humanitarian mission. I would say that area is better off today than before. The same cannot be said of Iraq and Libya!
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Only RT tells the truth, BBC, CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. all lie.
Ok, maybe he's right about NBC.
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Old 4th May 2014, 19:18
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RR,

Comrade, have all Russian/USSR excursions post WWII justified in your mind? Question speaks to scope, trying to define how deep your ideology runs.
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West Coast. I would say the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a disaster and a very bad idea. Since the end of the cold war though modern Russia has been very reasonable indeed. Moscow seems to have a far more logical and reasonable approach to things than say the British or American governments. I mean for example overthrowing Gaddafi and allowing maniacs to control various parts of the country, invading Iraq and 11 years later its far worse than it could have ever been had Saddam still been in charge. Yet some moron politicians wanted to engage in military action to remove Assad and by default assist Al Qaeda! I thought they were supposed to be the main enemy yet recent western actions seem to actually help them. How can such actions be tolerated?! We would have been better off leaving Assad, Gaddafi and Saddam in place to keep a lid on Al Qaeda activity in their nations and thus not be a problem for us.
Basically everything Moscow does actually seems logical, I just cannot say the same for our own leaderships, I wish they actually were better and working to create a better world.
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Old 4th May 2014, 20:41
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Basically everything Moscow does actually seems logical...
Grozny.

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Old 4th May 2014, 22:22
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Beaten to it.

Well RR, how does Putin/Russia's philosophy in Chechnya square with what's going on in Ukraine?

A little tough to connect the dots, you agree?

Prolly not
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He'll probably put that down to inner city regeneration..
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West Coast, Russia would not have been forced to act in Ukraine and the people of the east would not have been forced to rise up if the idiots who rose up in Kiev had not done so. They simply only had to wait one year for an election when they could have voted him out.
EVERYTHING that has happened in Ukraine since then is basically their fault. Not the fault of Russia or Putin. If the coup in Kiev was basically run by western governments then they are to blame. Considering that Biden has been there and other high profile US government officials it was likely them who are behind this. They should not be going there at all, troublemaking as usual. The regime in Washington has to stop causing mayhem around the world, its now sadly the worlds number one rogue state.


Terrible photo of Grozny, but at the end of the day the western governments even now push for war with some wanting to attack Syria, others Iran. The western governments still seem to love war more than the Russian government. Why is that? Come on, this really cannot keep going on, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, they wanted to do Syria, maybe even Iran. Some on here even want to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. It really has to stop. Its like some little children who cannot stop being aggressive! Maybe some of the war obsessed people could get into video gaming or toy soldiers or something like that.
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Dreadful pic of Grozny, melmoth/westcoast...so you believe NATO/Western forces should have intervened there??
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I don't know if they should or not to be honest. On its face, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason from a national security point of view, that being my trigger to send US troops abroad and you did ask my opinion of it. I would be considering aid to them about now though.

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You stepped past answering about Chechnya. Feel free to take the time to answer now.
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Old 5th May 2014, 15:51
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What does Chechnya have to do with the Ukraine, West?

I do not recall USSR, nor CIS, nor Russia acknowledging or formally agreeing to Chechnya being separated from Russia.

On top of that, the profound Islamist baseline in Chechnya argues for the US and Russia to make common cause on that matter.

My two cents
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I don't remember tying the two together beyond asking for RR to square the philosophy from a Russian pov as the two appear in stark contrast.
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Perhaps rr's lost the logical thread to your argument, wc? I understood from your earlier posts you were in favour of Western intervention in Ukraine. But now you seem to be highlighting (and I agree with you) the terrible cost of intervening in former Soviet states.
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