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Old 4th Sep 2013, 08:39
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The article would also appear to be a little out of date. Is Akrotiri going to be available?

And the latest reports say that the mission if to stop the war which requires rather more than the limited chastisement previously discussed.
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Forensic examination of the CW attack: SYRIA: [PUBLIC] Geolocation of alleged chemical rockets in East Ghouta - August 28 - StoryfulPro

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Busting bunkers for the sake of busting bunkers is pointless.

As I have said and others, Assad has almost certainly dispersed
everything in Syria.

I can't honestly see that being used on a low value target
unless the US has a high value target in mind.

We will see in a week or two.
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Eclectic - wouldn't it be very surprising if they sent a B2 in on an overflight?
Maybe a standoff launch of cruise missiles - but to risk such a high value aircraft to drop a MOAB?
Just an observation from the comfort of my armchair...
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:54
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Here is a thought perhaps not thunk before.

Surely, by dispersing, the Syrian regime and military is/are already to a degree degraded/incapacitated? I assume there is/was a military reason to be NOT dispersed?

Principles of war and all that?
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Can we be CERTAIN that McCain was playing poker during the debate?

I think he was actually on PPRuNe, posting as SASless. They seem to share some personality traits...
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Re Principles of War

Are you thinking of the Concentration of force one ?

Applies if you are attacking someone and in some cases defense.

By dispersing, I was thinking Command and Control,
Weapons like AA / Missiles etc.


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I was thinking the same thing, using a high value bomber over Syria ???
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Can we be CERTAIN that McCain was playing poker during the debate?
I did wonder whether some of posters hereabouts were present at yesterday's Senate hearing, given the, ahem, demographic of the people who got thrown out. It was suspiciously quiet on both threads last night...
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Putin: Only UNSC can sanction military action against Syria govt - YouTube

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Friday the 6th or Saturday the 7th for the night of the attack if I goes ahead at all now. No moon and will be as black as a witches hat. Also gives him time to cut some sort of compromise or permission beforehand with Putin and Xi Jinping or their representatives at whatever G(7 or 20) meeting they are now just about gathering to.
Any practical effect of these attacks for the common good of saving the innocents will be slight.
More a face saver now for the US President than anything else if he does strike. He has to attack, he's played himself into a corner. Played a very poor hand really, very publically lost an (the) key allie with the UK, hasn't really looked decisive. I still find his whole tone towards the UK very patronising and at times actually offensive, so I am a little jaundiced towards him of course. From sending the head back to the Smithsonian, to BP, to stiffing the Queen at the Normandy thing, to his comments about the UK military in Afghanistan - you can read him like a bad book, and deep down this man is not a friend to the UK at all. He doesn't need us but yet he did seem to need us,it must rile him even more.
Egypt and the very recent military coup (with hundreds of civilians gunned down by the military and police) now faded off the TV completely (even here in the Middle East, its just faded out, let alone UK). No one from the west speaks about attacking the military there of course.
Sad but I found myself actually agreeing more with Putin today and recently than my own PM or the so called leader of the free world. I must be jaded.
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I must be jaded
Nah, just getting a dose of reality, which of course, stinks..
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Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle
Friday the 6th or Saturday the 7th for the night of the attack if I goes ahead at all now. No moon and will be as black as a witches hat. Also gives him time to cut some sort of compromise or permission beforehand with Putin and Xi Jinping or their representatives at whatever G(7 or 20) meeting they are now just about gathering to.
As good a guess as I've seen in a while.
Any practical effect of these attacks for the common good of saving the innocents will be slight.
Agreed, though that depends on how much strking is done and on what.
More a face saver now for the US President than anything else if he does strike. He has to attack, he's played himself into a corner. Played a very poor hand really, very publically lost an (the) key allie with the UK, hasn't really looked decisive.
He can save face if Congress tells him to FO ... well, some of it. He already has egg on his.
I still find his whole tone towards the UK very patronising and at times actually offensive, so I am a little jaundiced towards him of course.
Don't blame you, he's a bit tone deaf to our best allies. His diplomacy bitch Hillary, first term, was far too cosy with the bitch from Argentina in re their bellowing about Las Malvinas.
From sending the head back to the Smithsonian, to BP, to stiffing the Queen at the Normandy thing, to his comments about the UK military in Afghanistan - you can read him like a bad book, and deep down this man is not a friend to the UK at all. He doesn't need us but yet he did seem to need us,it must rile him even more.
He doesn't grasp the benefit of the special relationship.
Egypt and the very recent military coup (with hundreds of civilians gunned down by the military and police) now faded off the TV completely (even here in the Middle East, its just faded out, let alone UK). No one from the west speaks about attacking the military there of course.
It's still close enough to stable to be smart not to intervene.
Sad but I found myself actually agreeing more with Putin today and recently than my own PM or the so called leader of the free world. I must be jaded.
Just because he's president doesn't mean he's always right. That's part of why we have that balance of powers thing over here: it is at times a curb on bad ideas getting too much momentum. Not saying it always works, but it does sometimes.

Your post had a lot of good meat in it. Thanks.

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Whomever posted this analysis: thank you. Folks are trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Not an easy job when bullets and bombs are a daily bit of the environment.

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Busting bunkers for the sake of busting bunkers is pointless. As I have said and others, Assad has almost certainly dispersed everything in Syria.
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During Hagel testifying to the House Panel on Syria, anyone notice the person behind him holding up his hands painted red, probably to symbolise Hagel has blood on his.
Indeed several people had he same, Kerry, the dude with the bad wig is wittering on about other Countries offering to pay for any action even if it was similar to those they have already done.. Saudi?

Bit like glorified mercenaries then.



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How incisive...
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Cannon Fodder: Syrians form human shields around 'US strike targets' - YouTube
This could be a real problem for any western attack. Won't be good PR for Obama or Hollander if there are lots of dead civilians from missile strikes.

They look like a great bunch of people and they support Assad.
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How counterfactual.
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How counterfactual.
Hmmm, even if it may be a bit simplistic, do you really think there is not some truth to it?
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