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Here it comes: Syria

Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:54
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Here is a thought perhaps not thunk before.

Surely, by dispersing, the Syrian regime and military is/are already to a degree degraded/incapacitated? I assume there is/was a military reason to be NOT dispersed?

Principles of war and all that?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:55
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Can we be CERTAIN that McCain was playing poker during the debate?

I think he was actually on PPRuNe, posting as SASless. They seem to share some personality traits...
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 11:05
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Re Principles of War

Are you thinking of the Concentration of force one ?

Applies if you are attacking someone and in some cases defense.

By dispersing, I was thinking Command and Control,
Weapons like AA / Missiles etc.


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I was thinking the same thing, using a high value bomber over Syria ???
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 11:32
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Can we be CERTAIN that McCain was playing poker during the debate?
I did wonder whether some of posters hereabouts were present at yesterday's Senate hearing, given the, ahem, demographic of the people who got thrown out. It was suspiciously quiet on both threads last night...
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 15:53
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Friday the 6th or Saturday the 7th for the night of the attack if I goes ahead at all now. No moon and will be as black as a witches hat. Also gives him time to cut some sort of compromise or permission beforehand with Putin and Xi Jinping or their representatives at whatever G(7 or 20) meeting they are now just about gathering to.
Any practical effect of these attacks for the common good of saving the innocents will be slight.
More a face saver now for the US President than anything else if he does strike. He has to attack, he's played himself into a corner. Played a very poor hand really, very publically lost an (the) key allie with the UK, hasn't really looked decisive. I still find his whole tone towards the UK very patronising and at times actually offensive, so I am a little jaundiced towards him of course. From sending the head back to the Smithsonian, to BP, to stiffing the Queen at the Normandy thing, to his comments about the UK military in Afghanistan - you can read him like a bad book, and deep down this man is not a friend to the UK at all. He doesn't need us but yet he did seem to need us,it must rile him even more.
Egypt and the very recent military coup (with hundreds of civilians gunned down by the military and police) now faded off the TV completely (even here in the Middle East, its just faded out, let alone UK). No one from the west speaks about attacking the military there of course.
Sad but I found myself actually agreeing more with Putin today and recently than my own PM or the so called leader of the free world. I must be jaded.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 16:08
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I must be jaded
Nah, just getting a dose of reality, which of course, stinks..
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle View Post
Friday the 6th or Saturday the 7th for the night of the attack if I goes ahead at all now. No moon and will be as black as a witches hat. Also gives him time to cut some sort of compromise or permission beforehand with Putin and Xi Jinping or their representatives at whatever G(7 or 20) meeting they are now just about gathering to.
As good a guess as I've seen in a while.
Any practical effect of these attacks for the common good of saving the innocents will be slight.
Agreed, though that depends on how much strking is done and on what.
More a face saver now for the US President than anything else if he does strike. He has to attack, he's played himself into a corner. Played a very poor hand really, very publically lost an (the) key allie with the UK, hasn't really looked decisive.
He can save face if Congress tells him to FO ... well, some of it. He already has egg on his.
I still find his whole tone towards the UK very patronising and at times actually offensive, so I am a little jaundiced towards him of course.
Don't blame you, he's a bit tone deaf to our best allies. His diplomacy bitch Hillary, first term, was far too cosy with the bitch from Argentina in re their bellowing about Las Malvinas.
From sending the head back to the Smithsonian, to BP, to stiffing the Queen at the Normandy thing, to his comments about the UK military in Afghanistan - you can read him like a bad book, and deep down this man is not a friend to the UK at all. He doesn't need us but yet he did seem to need us,it must rile him even more.
He doesn't grasp the benefit of the special relationship.
Egypt and the very recent military coup (with hundreds of civilians gunned down by the military and police) now faded off the TV completely (even here in the Middle East, its just faded out, let alone UK). No one from the west speaks about attacking the military there of course.
It's still close enough to stable to be smart not to intervene.
Sad but I found myself actually agreeing more with Putin today and recently than my own PM or the so called leader of the free world. I must be jaded.
Just because he's president doesn't mean he's always right. That's part of why we have that balance of powers thing over here: it is at times a curb on bad ideas getting too much momentum. Not saying it always works, but it does sometimes.

Your post had a lot of good meat in it. Thanks.

EDIT:
Whomever posted this analysis: thank you. Folks are trying to put the puzzle pieces together. Not an easy job when bullets and bombs are a daily bit of the environment.

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Old 4th Sep 2013, 16:43
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Busting bunkers for the sake of busting bunkers is pointless. As I have said and others, Assad has almost certainly dispersed everything in Syria.
The Good News about Syria and Sarin
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 17:01
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During Hagel testifying to the House Panel on Syria, anyone notice the person behind him holding up his hands painted red, probably to symbolise Hagel has blood on his.
Indeed several people had he same, Kerry, the dude with the bad wig is wittering on about other Countries offering to pay for any action even if it was similar to those they have already done.. Saudi?

Bit like glorified mercenaries then.



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Old 4th Sep 2013, 17:17
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How incisive...
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 17:43
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Cannon Fodder: Syrians form human shields around 'US strike targets' - YouTube
This could be a real problem for any western attack. Won't be good PR for Obama or Hollander if there are lots of dead civilians from missile strikes.

They look like a great bunch of people and they support Assad.
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How counterfactual.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 18:50
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How counterfactual.
Hmmm, even if it may be a bit simplistic, do you really think there is not some truth to it?
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 18:52
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Ted Cruz On Syria: U.S. Shouldn't Be 'Al Qaeda's Air Force'
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 18:57
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How counterfactual.

How little you seem to know of what's happening in Syria.

It may be simplistic, but it's also fairly accurate.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 19:05
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"I still find his whole tone towards the UK very patronising and
at times actually offensive,"

And not just to the UK. Old Europe ???

Reagan might have gone week at the knees occasionally but I can't think
of any other recent US President that has "put down" so many other
countries.

It is petty BS.

So much for a special relationship.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 19:19
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Ted makes a few good points in that article.

My trouble with him is that he looks like a cross between Bill Murray and Mark Cuban, and I can't get the Murray references out of my head whenever I see him talking.

"It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter ..."
"Cannonball!"
"It's in the hole, it's in the hole"

Really makes taking him seriously difficult.
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Old 4th Sep 2013, 19:22
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The more this goes on the more of a farce it all becomes, sad really because at the end of the day some poor guy minding his own business and trying to earn a living is going to end up dead somewhere in Syria..

And why? Simply because someone authorised an attack he neither knew about nor was involved in, an attack that has killed peanuts in the scheme of things.

You have Obama seemingly on a massive power trip simply because he couldn't keep his mouth shut and made his Red Line statement. So to simply save face he is willing to kill Tens... Hundreds.... Thousands..

And to back him up you have the Senate, whose members couldn't agree on anything in the past. Indeed, whilst the Country debates war, one of them couldn't even be arsed to put his phone game down and take seriously what they were about to do...

Then you have the French, with a population that appears to agree with the feelings in the UK polls..

Funnily I always thought these so called leaders were elected by the people to serve the people. From what I've seen they seem to be simply serving their own agenda.

However things turn out I am truely glad this Country is out of it and that another vote will not take place.. And as for us being kicked out of meetings, so what, live with it.

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