Don't fly over my house...
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airborne_artist - thanks ever so much for the excellent likeness and for the excellent advice - however I am not a troll, I am a resident concerned for the safety of our town, and other towns, and also concerned for rafat's hitherto excellent reputation.
ShyTorque (avoid imitations) - I'm really confused, you are phonetically identical to Shytehawk. I sent him a pm to ask if you are he, or vice versa or not. Apologies for the misunderstanding about pay, Exascot says he didn't expect his remark to be taken seriously. But I stand my ground on the other points.
Ij101 - better than that, I have a copy of the waiver signed by Rear Admiral Simon Charlier FRAeS, kindly provided by MoD under Freedom of Information.
ShyTorque (avoid imitations) - I'm really confused, you are phonetically identical to Shytehawk. I sent him a pm to ask if you are he, or vice versa or not. Apologies for the misunderstanding about pay, Exascot says he didn't expect his remark to be taken seriously. But I stand my ground on the other points.
Ij101 - better than that, I have a copy of the waiver signed by Rear Admiral Simon Charlier FRAeS, kindly provided by MoD under Freedom of Information.
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I have absolutely no connection with any phonetically similar posters. I stand by what I wrote.
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Ij101 - permission based on their representations which are in turn based on airshow regulations and would imply rear entry over the line formed by a consenting crowd rather than low-level overflight of an entire town.
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Exocet sic- bit difficult for a mere civilian to take on the massed forces single-handed.
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Exascot - yes, just giving you guys a chance before making a good case to send to "the respective event Flying Display Director" if I can find out who (s)he is, probably one of the civilian family who own the Grand Pier. After that it is onward and upward, to the Military Aviation Authority. But I shan't neglect you, please feel free to go on trolling...
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Ij101 - Thanks for CAP403, just found it in my download folder. This is the CAA document applicable to civil aircraft. For military aircraft appearing at civil displays you need to consult RA 2335 - Flying Displays and Special Events, as modified by any appropriate waivers. My copy came from MoD under foi. It is my understanding that RA 2335 complies with European Law and that RAFAT have negotiated waivers with some but not all European countries to permit rear entry.
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Pleasure - easily found with a google search:
As is this
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/0C569...itialIssue.pdf
The book you wrote with ref to Military Research Aircraft, who published it?
As is this
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/0C569...itialIssue.pdf
The book you wrote with ref to Military Research Aircraft, who published it?
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I find this thread a little bizarre as between the CAA - MAA - EAC - BADA the Rules and to a small degree, self regulation of air show participants makes anything vaquely dangerous virtually impossible. Ramstein and Haddon-Cave between them have sorted the fun flying out. Gone are the days of post show departures being the best part of the show for exmple, and Crowd rear arrivals require a specific and written document of authorisation and few air show participants have it. RAFAT do, as do BBMF and I believe the Blades do but very few others.
The comments concerning perception od what servicemen get cost free is many years out of date and suggests a crevace on a shoulder never mind a chip.
The comments concerning perception od what servicemen get cost free is many years out of date and suggests a crevace on a shoulder never mind a chip.
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Ij101
Thanks for your kind interest
ISBN 0-85429-675-1
VTOL Military Research Aircraft
M J Rogers 1989
Foulis Aviation
Haynes Publishing Group
Tigermate
As explained I took a post by the venerable and highly respected Mr Exascot as the literal truth instead of a wry in-joke. I apologised before and I apologise again now.
Thanks for your kind interest
ISBN 0-85429-675-1
VTOL Military Research Aircraft
M J Rogers 1989
Foulis Aviation
Haynes Publishing Group
Tigermate
As explained I took a post by the venerable and highly respected Mr Exascot as the literal truth instead of a wry in-joke. I apologised before and I apologise again now.
I think I ought to divert some of the attention in the laughing-stock stakes.
Took me half this thread to work out what rafat meant
(In my defence, maybe RAFAT might have been clearer)
Took me half this thread to work out what rafat meant
(In my defence, maybe RAFAT might have been clearer)
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Stuff - Wow, 34 pounds new and average around twenty quid second-hand! Price new was £17.95 Thanks for drawing my attention to that.
Tanker - Sorry, was trying not to be a media magnet.
Tanker - Sorry, was trying not to be a media magnet.
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Is this thread for real? Please tell me that you're all in a conspiracy to astonish us all. Mike, I have never seen such ill-informed ranting (even here on PPRuNe!). Just think, every light aircraft that overflies your town at medium level, every airliner that overflies your town at high level and every rafat a/c that passes by has a chance of falling on your house - because that's what aircraft keep doing.
Although, I'm sure you're right, civilian aircraft are designed to crash much less often than military ones. I'm sure another FOI request will reveal to you the design requirements for the Hawk which was: must crash slightly more often than airliners.
I'm going back to my parallel universe now. Bye.
Although, I'm sure you're right, civilian aircraft are designed to crash much less often than military ones. I'm sure another FOI request will reveal to you the design requirements for the Hawk which was: must crash slightly more often than airliners.
I'm going back to my parallel universe now. Bye.
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Noisy military aeroplanes flying over my house?? I don't mind it, when they are transiting from were they need to go to / come from and I have owned houses in the flight path of Stations (my present house is on an airport approach, does it bother me ? No!). I do mind it when the idiot yanks from Suffolk decide that a bounce / 1 vis 1 is going to be planned over my house (2 miles from a city that is also getting the full effects) with burners at after 10 pm at night.. absolutely no justification to do it then at that time.. I was going to complain, but others did before me.. Not happened since..
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Courtney,
We have airliners flying over at reasonable altitude many times a day, we have helicopters, including Elfan's lovely Brantley, and we have three guys who buzz over suspended from parafoils. No problems with any of those.
We used to have Helidays with civil and military helicopters flying in off the sea to land on the sea-front, and a coincidental simultaneous departure on Sunday afternoon, glorious sight and sound, no probs there.
What I object to is the use of a waiver intended I think for conventional airfield displays being used as an excuse to fly FJs at 300ft eyeball MSD for two miles over a built up area.
Could you edit your post to say rafat, please? Thanks! Avoids attracting the news media when they google.
We have airliners flying over at reasonable altitude many times a day, we have helicopters, including Elfan's lovely Brantley, and we have three guys who buzz over suspended from parafoils. No problems with any of those.
We used to have Helidays with civil and military helicopters flying in off the sea to land on the sea-front, and a coincidental simultaneous departure on Sunday afternoon, glorious sight and sound, no probs there.
What I object to is the use of a waiver intended I think for conventional airfield displays being used as an excuse to fly FJs at 300ft eyeball MSD for two miles over a built up area.
Could you edit your post to say rafat, please? Thanks! Avoids attracting the news media when they google.