RAF to support Met Police operations?
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I am aware of your expertise in these matters. Just how easy is it to extract information from the records of millions of calls and texts? Perhaps this can't be posted in an open forum. We have already been told that "The police are trawling thru hundreds of hours of CCTV footage" - do the results justify the time spent? I am not decrying technology BTW - just wondering if it is cost effective!
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trawling the location records should be easy - once the phone companies have been forced to release them. Remember you don't need to prove who read what, or who sent what. All you need to know was who was when, and where - and match that with video footage and still photography
Face recognition software is getting good enough so that you can cross-match people from one location to another (that is standard Face-book capability now) in videos and photos
Once you identify the phone numbers of interest, then you can start reading the texts. Echelon will have the simple texts on record, while Blackberry say they'll co-operate over their encrypted BBS messages. Faceb00k/Twitter messages should be discoverable through the DNS servers records - and by reading the phones internet browser cache remotely (this again can be activated without the user knowing)
Then you have to ID the user. If the phone is on contract, then you've got a billing address. If the phone is purchased anonymously then it can be tracked in real-time by the location methods stated earlier. And can be intercepted by SIGINT/ISTAR aircraft
Even if the user changes the SIM card the phone can still be tracked in real-time through the other identifying codes
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WTF does Faceb00k get changed by the system software to Facebook? What **** thought that one up?
Face recognition software is getting good enough so that you can cross-match people from one location to another (that is standard Face-book capability now) in videos and photos
Once you identify the phone numbers of interest, then you can start reading the texts. Echelon will have the simple texts on record, while Blackberry say they'll co-operate over their encrypted BBS messages. Faceb00k/Twitter messages should be discoverable through the DNS servers records - and by reading the phones internet browser cache remotely (this again can be activated without the user knowing)
Then you have to ID the user. If the phone is on contract, then you've got a billing address. If the phone is purchased anonymously then it can be tracked in real-time by the location methods stated earlier. And can be intercepted by SIGINT/ISTAR aircraft
Even if the user changes the SIM card the phone can still be tracked in real-time through the other identifying codes
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WTF does Faceb00k get changed by the system software to Facebook? What **** thought that one up?
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Jamesdevice - put your tinfoil hat away. Whatever "Echelon" is, assuming you are referring to government monitoring activity, it won't have any such blanket records in the UK. That would be illegal.
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Fascinating stuff, very interesting. Tell me, I wonder what would happen if someone just threw away their phone and denied having it at the time? Or said that some ELSE had it?
Also, the word twitter, as spelt: tea, doubleU, eye, tea, tea, eeeh, arrgh, also gets changed to PPRune! WTF?
Fascinating stuff, very interesting. Tell me, I wonder what would happen if someone just threw away their phone and denied having it at the time? Or said that some ELSE had it?
Also, the word twitter, as spelt: tea, doubleU, eye, tea, tea, eeeh, arrgh, also gets changed to PPRune! WTF?
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Slight thread drift but important to spread the word
London Disorder - Operation Withern - a set on Flickr
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"That would be illegal."
And we're supposed to believe that makes a difference? Theres enough evidence to indicate that all UK texts and e-mails are routinely screened
"Tell me, I wonder what would happen if someone just threw away their phone and denied having it at the time?"
Thats what anyone with half a brain would do. However there is no indication these people are that well endowed..... Of course if the phone evidence was also matched by video / photo evidence...
I suspect ( I don't know) that the phone evidence alone wouldn't be enough to prosecute. You'd need some other kind of confirmatory evidence either image or witness statement
Interesting that reports are now appearing of threats to harm Blackberry employees if the company releases its records to the police
BlackBerry blog hacked with pro-riot warning to RIM - Security Watchdog - a blog from V3.co.uk
however the police are on the trail already
Mobile operators hold key data to help catch London rioters - IT News from V3.co.uk
Theres a page (for the media only) relating to their photos of suspects, and links to the first batch of photos here
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And we're supposed to believe that makes a difference? Theres enough evidence to indicate that all UK texts and e-mails are routinely screened
"Tell me, I wonder what would happen if someone just threw away their phone and denied having it at the time?"
Thats what anyone with half a brain would do. However there is no indication these people are that well endowed..... Of course if the phone evidence was also matched by video / photo evidence...
I suspect ( I don't know) that the phone evidence alone wouldn't be enough to prosecute. You'd need some other kind of confirmatory evidence either image or witness statement
Interesting that reports are now appearing of threats to harm Blackberry employees if the company releases its records to the police
BlackBerry blog hacked with pro-riot warning to RIM - Security Watchdog - a blog from V3.co.uk
however the police are on the trail already
Mobile operators hold key data to help catch London rioters - IT News from V3.co.uk
Theres a page (for the media only) relating to their photos of suspects, and links to the first batch of photos here
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A long time ago, I watched a solitary policeman restore calm in a crowd which had been growing larger and angrier by the minute. He had no radio, and I feel sure he did not even contemplate drawing his sidearm.
He just strolled nonchalantly by, no more than meaningfully twitching the issue short sjambok at his hip. Peace ensued at once; not a word was spoken, nobody was even touched, still less hurt. No need, because prospective troublemakers faced the certainty of immediate retribution - thus, no trouble.
The sjambok was sacrificed on the altar of 'political correctness' a while back, the pink fluffy mob seemingly unable to grasp that cracking the skulls of miscreants with cumbersome plastic bludgeons is somewhat less humane than delivering a (very) painful whack.
<dreaming> Had the pollies the spine to declare a State of Emergency ... all that elf-n-safety, 'uman rights stuff would be suspended ... bet all those withdrawn sjamboks are still sitting in stores somewhere ... if they were issued to a few support teams from the armed forces there would be an immediate outbreak of !respect! amongst the scrotes - end of riots, no broken bones, not a round discharged <just dreaming>.
He just strolled nonchalantly by, no more than meaningfully twitching the issue short sjambok at his hip. Peace ensued at once; not a word was spoken, nobody was even touched, still less hurt. No need, because prospective troublemakers faced the certainty of immediate retribution - thus, no trouble.
The sjambok was sacrificed on the altar of 'political correctness' a while back, the pink fluffy mob seemingly unable to grasp that cracking the skulls of miscreants with cumbersome plastic bludgeons is somewhat less humane than delivering a (very) painful whack.
<dreaming> Had the pollies the spine to declare a State of Emergency ... all that elf-n-safety, 'uman rights stuff would be suspended ... bet all those withdrawn sjamboks are still sitting in stores somewhere ... if they were issued to a few support teams from the armed forces there would be an immediate outbreak of !respect! amongst the scrotes - end of riots, no broken bones, not a round discharged <just dreaming>.
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I have the answer
What we need is an aircraft carrier full of Harriers. It could sail up the Thames and deliver precision effects that nothing else on the planet is capable of doing.
Really annoyed,
Have you noticed that the majority of the Police are white?
Have you noticed that the majority of the Police are white?
Really annoyed,
Heh, have you ALSO noticed that the majority of the Sikhs who are out guarding Southall Mosque from rioters and arsonists are a sort of brown colour?
Heh, have you ALSO noticed that the majority of the Sikhs who are out guarding Southall Mosque from rioters and arsonists are a sort of brown colour?
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not true
those photos seem to indicate roughly 50:50 black / white. and unless you've been there and actually seen it you can't have a clue, so please no more of that racist stuff unless you can actually prove it
Otherwise it appears that you're just talking with your arse again
or is it with your arrrrrrrghs???
not true
those photos seem to indicate roughly 50:50 black / white. and unless you've been there and actually seen it you can't have a clue, so please no more of that racist stuff unless you can actually prove it
Otherwise it appears that you're just talking with your arse again
or is it with your arrrrrrrghs???
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the Police line is that water cannon are only effective against a static crowd.
These miscreants are attacking in rapidly mobile groups, making water cannon - and tear gas - ineffective
These miscreants are attacking in rapidly mobile groups, making water cannon - and tear gas - ineffective