RAF to support Met Police operations?
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The Prime Minister cannot order troops onto the streets of this country to subdue it's citizens. It is part of the constitution.
So all the Daily Mail readers and armchair experts can spout as much crap as they want.
This is down to the Civil Authorities.
So all the Daily Mail readers and armchair experts can spout as much crap as they want.
This is down to the Civil Authorities.
The Riot Act may no longer be available but:
England and Wales
Riot is now defined by s.1 Public Order Act 1986, as follows:
(1) Where twelve or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot. (2) It is immaterial whether or not the twelve or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously. (3) The common purpose may be inferred from conduct. (4) No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene. (5) Riot may be committed in private as well as in public places.
Thus a single person can be liable for an offence of riot when they use violence, provided that it is shown there were at least twelve present using or threatening unlawful violence. The violence can be against the person or against property.
If there are fewer than twelve people present, the lesser offence of "Violent Disorder" is charged, for which there is a requirement for at least three persons to use or threaten unlawful violence together, and no common purpose is required.
In the past, the Riot Act had to be read by an official - with the wording exactly correct - before violent policing action could take place. If the group did not disperse after the act was read, lethal force could legally be used against the crowd.
Riot is an indictable offence under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, triable on indictment before a Crown Court, and punishable by up to ten years imprisonment.
Dealing with riots is an often difficult task for police departments, and police officers sent to deal with riots are usually armed with ballistic shields and riot shotguns, mainly because of the larger spread of the shorter barrels. Police may also use tear gas and CS gas to stop rioters. Most riot police have moved to using less-than-lethal methods to control riots, such as shotguns that fire rubber slugs and flexible baton rounds to injure or otherwise incapacitate rioters for easy arrest.
So bring in the troops, dress 'em in police uniforms, mix live round snipers with the "rubber slug and flexible baton round" officers and these morons'll soon bloody disperse!
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Thank you for your suggestions as to how I can rectify my lack of knowledge in respect of the history of London. I would point out, however, that I was born and bred in London - as were my 3 brothers, my Parents and Grandparents - even so I did manage to absorb the history lessons in the East End Schools that I attended.
Thank you for your suggestions as to how I can rectify my lack of knowledge in respect of the history of London. I would point out, however, that I was born and bred in London - as were my 3 brothers, my Parents and Grandparents - even so I did manage to absorb the history lessons in the East End Schools that I attended.
cazatou,
Well stop spouting inaccurate nonsense then!
Well stop spouting inaccurate nonsense then!
grollie,
Are you eight years old?
Are you eight years old?
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This is the 21st Century people. Things are different now. The rioters will be bragging on Faceb***, Tw****r, webpages, forums, emails, in videos, and in any amount of electronic methods.
Each one is traceable, and the anarchists and thieves are too dumb to realise the massive electronic trail they'll be leaving.
The Police just need the manpower to track down all the electronic trails, and then go and find and arrest the troublemakers. Simple really. They won't be able to help themselves, bragging about all the stuff they've pinched.
The bigger problem is that real punishment won't be in line with what they deserve. They deserve to be sent out cracking rocks with a sledgehammer at 50p an hour, until the authorities have recovered the full cost of the damage caused.
However, that won't happen. The jails are already full, and they'll be sent home with a sharp-telling off, and a community order... and the ordinary folks will be left to pick up the tab... via higher rates, taxes, and insurance premiums.
Each one is traceable, and the anarchists and thieves are too dumb to realise the massive electronic trail they'll be leaving.
The Police just need the manpower to track down all the electronic trails, and then go and find and arrest the troublemakers. Simple really. They won't be able to help themselves, bragging about all the stuff they've pinched.
The bigger problem is that real punishment won't be in line with what they deserve. They deserve to be sent out cracking rocks with a sledgehammer at 50p an hour, until the authorities have recovered the full cost of the damage caused.
However, that won't happen. The jails are already full, and they'll be sent home with a sharp-telling off, and a community order... and the ordinary folks will be left to pick up the tab... via higher rates, taxes, and insurance premiums.
onetrack,
"..and they'll be sent home with a sharp-telling off, and a community order..."
The word in the legal community is quite the opposite. I know it's something that the more rigid on the right wing love to bang on about but sentences for violent affray and disorder are not really all that lenient, it's only the odd exception that catches the eye.
We are hearing that there is going to be pretty harsh sentencing for those caught. Good thing too.
"..and they'll be sent home with a sharp-telling off, and a community order..."
The word in the legal community is quite the opposite. I know it's something that the more rigid on the right wing love to bang on about but sentences for violent affray and disorder are not really all that lenient, it's only the odd exception that catches the eye.
We are hearing that there is going to be pretty harsh sentencing for those caught. Good thing too.
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They could use Nimrod's as an excellent stand off surveillance platform. It's also extremely useful as an automatic airborne relay for the police secure comms equipment.
Oh b&gger, "Call me Dave" scrapped them all while he was busy teaching us all how to hug a hoodie.
Oh b&gger, "Call me Dave" scrapped them all while he was busy teaching us all how to hug a hoodie.
They deserve to be sent out cracking rocks with a sledgehammer at 50p an hour, until the authorities have recovered the full cost of the damage caused.
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'The Police just need the manpower'
'Nice one' 'onetrack'
Police forces to cut more than 34,000 officers and staff | UK news | The Guardian
Police forces to cut more than 34,000 officers and staff | UK news | The Guardian
cazatou,
Whilst not changing my opinion, my reply to you was needlessly rude.
It's been an emotional 24 hrs for me and I am dog tired and rather shooting from the hip.
Sorry.
Whilst not changing my opinion, my reply to you was needlessly rude.
It's been an emotional 24 hrs for me and I am dog tired and rather shooting from the hip.
Sorry.
Jamesdevice, don't need GPS to track a mobile phone, as all mobile networks need to know exactly were a phone is when it is switched on to be able to route signals via the basestations (in fact to increase the traffic flow, the propagation delays for the signals being transmitted from the phone to the basestation are taken into account, so the phone will stop transmitting just before it is due to recieve a data packet from the base station). Hence the range of the basestation to the phone is known to within feet. Also the phone will be polling other basestations within range to allow re-routing if traffic loads on the others are lower. All of this information on range to basestations is logged, and software will allow the location of the phone to be found at any time.
Why do you think OBL stopped using a mobile phone.
Why do you think OBL stopped using a mobile phone.
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Thats what I was trying to say, however it didn't quite come out correct
Actually a modern smart phone can be tracked THREE ways
1) through phone mast triangulation
2) GPS
3) from the interaction between the phone and local WI-FI hotspots. These are mapped by Google, Sensorly and others and the phone can be interrogated / activated remotely without the user knowing
Thats what I was trying to say, however it didn't quite come out correct
Actually a modern smart phone can be tracked THREE ways
1) through phone mast triangulation
2) GPS
3) from the interaction between the phone and local WI-FI hotspots. These are mapped by Google, Sensorly and others and the phone can be interrogated / activated remotely without the user knowing
They don't like it up 'em!
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... the old one could be removed from its cartridge and replaced with a U2 battery.
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