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Much as part of me wants vengeance to sort these bastards out, I'm afraid that on reflection, Tanshengurt has it right.
I just wish these sad lefty bastards would stop making excuses for them. For gods sake, you're disenfranchised, you cant get a job, because you pissed your own education up the wall. You didnt give a toss, you dont want to do the jobs the Polish and the Eastern Europeans want to do, yet you want all the things that only a work ethic will give you. You can only blame yourself for your own failings FFS.
And thats before we even think about the open doors immigration policy, globalisation and outsourcing... which they fully embraced and encouraged for 13 years.
I just wish these sad lefty bastards would stop making excuses for them. For gods sake, you're disenfranchised, you cant get a job, because you pissed your own education up the wall. You didnt give a toss, you dont want to do the jobs the Polish and the Eastern Europeans want to do, yet you want all the things that only a work ethic will give you. You can only blame yourself for your own failings FFS.
And thats before we even think about the open doors immigration policy, globalisation and outsourcing... which they fully embraced and encouraged for 13 years.
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I vote for a trip to the armoury for all those with an in date weapons handling test.
"With a magazine of 30 rounds, standing, LOAD!"
"Make ready!"
"Front rank fire! Rear rank fire!"
Repeat 30 times..
"RELOAD!"
"Front rank...etc..."
It seemed to work a century ago and would sort out youth unemployment in about 30mins flat...
...now where did I leave my short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber?
"With a magazine of 30 rounds, standing, LOAD!"
"Make ready!"
"Front rank fire! Rear rank fire!"
Repeat 30 times..
"RELOAD!"
"Front rank...etc..."
It seemed to work a century ago and would sort out youth unemployment in about 30mins flat...
...now where did I leave my short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber?
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Corporal Clott
I like it.
Modern day equivalent.
GPMG M60, 600 Rounds of 7.62 ball link.
Carry on !!!
Maybe the first burst or two over the heads, no response, the rest at chest level.
The "cone of fire" should clear the road nicely for a few kms.
Maybe a line abreast, fixed bayonets charge might have a similar effect.
I like it.
Modern day equivalent.
GPMG M60, 600 Rounds of 7.62 ball link.
Carry on !!!
Maybe the first burst or two over the heads, no response, the rest at chest level.
The "cone of fire" should clear the road nicely for a few kms.
Maybe a line abreast, fixed bayonets charge might have a similar effect.
What we need is leadership like we saw from Bromhead and Chard on that day...
Sadly, due to the social engineering of the past 60 years that went against core British values and beliefs, all we see is leadership like this...
From "thin red line" to "thin blue line" in no time at all
Bring back Gene Hunt, all is forgiven!
LJ
PS The rot really set in when Bliar and his henchmen got in 13 years ago to finally blunt off society, create a Nanny State, support an under-class with no ambition (apart from booze, smoke and watch Sky) and generally buy off the votes of the dregs of society with unfaltering support.
Sadly, due to the social engineering of the past 60 years that went against core British values and beliefs, all we see is leadership like this...
From "thin red line" to "thin blue line" in no time at all
Bring back Gene Hunt, all is forgiven!
LJ
PS The rot really set in when Bliar and his henchmen got in 13 years ago to finally blunt off society, create a Nanny State, support an under-class with no ambition (apart from booze, smoke and watch Sky) and generally buy off the votes of the dregs of society with unfaltering support.
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If you want to see a "Nanny state", come to Victoria in Australia.
I must add something to your PS Quote:-
"PS The rot really set in when Bliar and his henchmen got in 13 years ago to finally blunt off society, create a Nanny State, support an under-class with no ambition (apart from booze, smoke, go to the Football and watch Sky) and generally buy off the votes of the dregs of society with unfaltering support."
If you want to see a "Nanny state", come to Victoria in Australia.
I must add something to your PS Quote:-
"PS The rot really set in when Bliar and his henchmen got in 13 years ago to finally blunt off society, create a Nanny State, support an under-class with no ambition (apart from booze, smoke, go to the Football and watch Sky) and generally buy off the votes of the dregs of society with unfaltering support."
An MP made a speech in Birmingham in 1968:
Whilst his comments have been deemed unsavoury over a long time, to which I wholeheartedly believe some were, there is also a lot that can be seen to be ringing true in that speech some 43 years later. For those that have never read it, then read it now Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech - Telegraph and draw your own conclusions on whether he was right to varying degrees.
I believe that multi-culturalism in the UK has been failing for too long with pockets of population brewing trouble due to disharmony/isolation. Sending in Armed Forces will not solve this unless we are just looking to protect material assets, however, it is the soft assets that need attention if we are to fix this (and that is going to take a very long time).
The B Word
PS I am not a right winger or BNP idiot before anyone starts!
As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."
I believe that multi-culturalism in the UK has been failing for too long with pockets of population brewing trouble due to disharmony/isolation. Sending in Armed Forces will not solve this unless we are just looking to protect material assets, however, it is the soft assets that need attention if we are to fix this (and that is going to take a very long time).
The B Word
PS I am not a right winger or BNP idiot before anyone starts!
Cpl Pratt, sorry Clott,
That would just make you a mass murderer.
That would just make you a mass murderer.
The B word,
Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish and rubbish!
What rivers of blood,? Where?
Take a look at the TV coverage of the Salford looters and arsonists, almost 99% white.
Rivers of Blood?
More like neanderthal dribblings.
Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish and rubbish!
What rivers of blood,? Where?
Take a look at the TV coverage of the Salford looters and arsonists, almost 99% white.
Rivers of Blood?
More like neanderthal dribblings.
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He was right to an extent, his constituent said 20 years, Birmingham was settled by West Indians and others a lot quicker than that (based on the speech being 1968), The other lady who ran a boarding house, very true of what happened.
I think we, over here in Aust have a reasonably integrated multicultural society - at least in most parts they don't all live in the same area, or don't now although the Greeks and Italians did whent hey arrived but that has changed. We are starting to see a few problems like the UK, Gangs et al, Somalis being one.
He was right to an extent, his constituent said 20 years, Birmingham was settled by West Indians and others a lot quicker than that (based on the speech being 1968), The other lady who ran a boarding house, very true of what happened.
I think we, over here in Aust have a reasonably integrated multicultural society - at least in most parts they don't all live in the same area, or don't now although the Greeks and Italians did whent hey arrived but that has changed. We are starting to see a few problems like the UK, Gangs et al, Somalis being one.
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And the London rioters appear to be 99% black.
What's your point? You can't have it both ways.
You appear to represent a vocal left wing minority who quash any deliberation or conversation about such matters by hysterically shouting racist and demanding that we all fall into line. Your line. No middle ground or room for debate about the actual facts.
I don't actually disagree with all you say, but allow people an opinion. It's not pretty out there, so something seems to have gone wrong somewhere.
....... (stands by for inevitable personal incoming attack)
And the London rioters appear to be 99% black.
What's your point? You can't have it both ways.
You appear to represent a vocal left wing minority who quash any deliberation or conversation about such matters by hysterically shouting racist and demanding that we all fall into line. Your line. No middle ground or room for debate about the actual facts.
I don't actually disagree with all you say, but allow people an opinion. It's not pretty out there, so something seems to have gone wrong somewhere.
....... (stands by for inevitable personal incoming attack)
Pr00ne
Being in an immigrant-heavy area does not automatically mean black, brown or yellow - maybe your own prejudice is showing through? I quite believe there are white people rioting. However, the problem stems from the areas where a high level of immigrant population reside which indicates a probable problem. A large majority of migrants to the UK are less afluent - they come here for the opportunity to better their lives, but when that fails they get upset (shattered dreams, lack of cash to fix the dreams and feeling of failure). They live in a close community with many in the same position (mostly from their racial or religious background) and the hatred of the "haves" and "have nots" begins to build. Next a riot.
Blood? Plenty. 30+ police officers on the first night, people with burns from arson attacks and plenty of rioters injured. You don't kick off and do stuff like the picture below without a drop being spilled!!!
My point is, sending in the Armed Forces will not solve it - the problem is too deep rooted. Sure the Armed Forces can guard key areas and make people feel safer, but it won't solve the root cause. That is what Enoch was trying to say in 1968. Sadly "social engineering" over the years has made opinions on immigration policy unspeakable for the majority.
Hopefully, that adds more to the debate of a serious issue than "Rubbish! Rubbish! Rubbish!"...
The B Word
PS 500N, we appear in agreement Sir
Being in an immigrant-heavy area does not automatically mean black, brown or yellow - maybe your own prejudice is showing through? I quite believe there are white people rioting. However, the problem stems from the areas where a high level of immigrant population reside which indicates a probable problem. A large majority of migrants to the UK are less afluent - they come here for the opportunity to better their lives, but when that fails they get upset (shattered dreams, lack of cash to fix the dreams and feeling of failure). They live in a close community with many in the same position (mostly from their racial or religious background) and the hatred of the "haves" and "have nots" begins to build. Next a riot.
Blood? Plenty. 30+ police officers on the first night, people with burns from arson attacks and plenty of rioters injured. You don't kick off and do stuff like the picture below without a drop being spilled!!!
My point is, sending in the Armed Forces will not solve it - the problem is too deep rooted. Sure the Armed Forces can guard key areas and make people feel safer, but it won't solve the root cause. That is what Enoch was trying to say in 1968. Sadly "social engineering" over the years has made opinions on immigration policy unspeakable for the majority.
Hopefully, that adds more to the debate of a serious issue than "Rubbish! Rubbish! Rubbish!"...
The B Word
PS 500N, we appear in agreement Sir
Scuttled,
I just really REALLY do not like racism.
As for ".. a vocal left wing minority who quash any deliberation or conversation about such matters.."
Will you allow me to partially quote a post of mine in another thread when someone else asked me what's my point and what am I getting off on, I apologise for it's length.
"I believe very strongly in social justice, and in the wealthy powerful elite being brought to account. (I also recognise the irony there in my own earnings so work doubly hard to address such issues) I also happen to believe in the criminal justice system and that means everyone has a right to a defence. I believe that anyone who is caught in possession of a firearm, if they are proven guilty, should go to prison. Possession for 'self defence' is no defence in my view. The only people who I would allow to carry firearms would be the armed forces and certain specialist Police teams. There is NO need for anyone else to carry the damn things.
I also believe very strongly that every person has a right to live out their life without the risk of the Police shooting them dead because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. John Charles de Menezes death was a needless tragedy compounded by senior folk rushing out totally inaccurate statements in the immediate aftermath such as he jumped the ticket barrier, he wore a thick coat and that he ran away. The poor bastard simply got on a tube and was held down and shot seven times in the head and once in the body. Someone should have gone to prison for that death, and I do NOT mean the officers who carried out the shooting. It was a crime but it was NOT murder.
I split my practice between activity in the City in both London and New York, and working with asylum seekers and young adults who were abused as children who need something to do or somewhere to go when the system kicks them out at 18. I also flew Tooms with a navigator behind me in my youth, so yes, I've seen several 'nasty' sides of life.
I'm a Barrister, how on earth can I possibly believe that bad has more rights than good? People have rights, 'good' and 'bad' don't, so I have to confess to not really knowing what the hell you are blathering on about.
I also respect the rule of law, the one true distinction of a genuine democracy. When your Government or ruling party or family is above the law, then you have NO democracy, which is one of many, but probably the most important, reasons why I am a Republican. "
Anyone who robs, loots, burns, mugs or organises and inspires such activity deserves the very harshest penalty that the law can bestow. I get extremely cross when people simplify such behaviour with "they are black" and seem to think that is in itself a cause.
On Monday night/Tuesday morning I saw white people doing horrendous things and I saw black people doing horrendous things,. I also saw white people doing wonderfully kind things and I saw black people doing wonderfully kind things.
I must also apologise for being overly antagonistic and aggressive today. I spent Monday night in a pub on Mare Street in Hackney, got very little sleep, spent today helping tidy up. I saw a lot of very unpleasant things on Monday night, distressing things that I wish hadn't happened and that I hadn't seen. I also saw some wonderful examples of the milk of human kindness. As a result I have been far FAR too sensitive and aggressive in posting, I really should have ignored the fact that PPRUNE even exists today. If I have offended anyone personally then I apologise.
Goodnight.
I just really REALLY do not like racism.
As for ".. a vocal left wing minority who quash any deliberation or conversation about such matters.."
Will you allow me to partially quote a post of mine in another thread when someone else asked me what's my point and what am I getting off on, I apologise for it's length.
"I believe very strongly in social justice, and in the wealthy powerful elite being brought to account. (I also recognise the irony there in my own earnings so work doubly hard to address such issues) I also happen to believe in the criminal justice system and that means everyone has a right to a defence. I believe that anyone who is caught in possession of a firearm, if they are proven guilty, should go to prison. Possession for 'self defence' is no defence in my view. The only people who I would allow to carry firearms would be the armed forces and certain specialist Police teams. There is NO need for anyone else to carry the damn things.
I also believe very strongly that every person has a right to live out their life without the risk of the Police shooting them dead because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. John Charles de Menezes death was a needless tragedy compounded by senior folk rushing out totally inaccurate statements in the immediate aftermath such as he jumped the ticket barrier, he wore a thick coat and that he ran away. The poor bastard simply got on a tube and was held down and shot seven times in the head and once in the body. Someone should have gone to prison for that death, and I do NOT mean the officers who carried out the shooting. It was a crime but it was NOT murder.
I split my practice between activity in the City in both London and New York, and working with asylum seekers and young adults who were abused as children who need something to do or somewhere to go when the system kicks them out at 18. I also flew Tooms with a navigator behind me in my youth, so yes, I've seen several 'nasty' sides of life.
I'm a Barrister, how on earth can I possibly believe that bad has more rights than good? People have rights, 'good' and 'bad' don't, so I have to confess to not really knowing what the hell you are blathering on about.
I also respect the rule of law, the one true distinction of a genuine democracy. When your Government or ruling party or family is above the law, then you have NO democracy, which is one of many, but probably the most important, reasons why I am a Republican. "
Anyone who robs, loots, burns, mugs or organises and inspires such activity deserves the very harshest penalty that the law can bestow. I get extremely cross when people simplify such behaviour with "they are black" and seem to think that is in itself a cause.
On Monday night/Tuesday morning I saw white people doing horrendous things and I saw black people doing horrendous things,. I also saw white people doing wonderfully kind things and I saw black people doing wonderfully kind things.
I must also apologise for being overly antagonistic and aggressive today. I spent Monday night in a pub on Mare Street in Hackney, got very little sleep, spent today helping tidy up. I saw a lot of very unpleasant things on Monday night, distressing things that I wish hadn't happened and that I hadn't seen. I also saw some wonderful examples of the milk of human kindness. As a result I have been far FAR too sensitive and aggressive in posting, I really should have ignored the fact that PPRUNE even exists today. If I have offended anyone personally then I apologise.
Goodnight.
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Mass murderer? That would depend if I was working to UK Rules of Engagement and the Right of Self Defence or not? The line "risk to life" is the key one to observe...and "proportionality"
300 rioters hell bent on inflicting harm on 20 troops guarding a residential area - 2 ranks of 10 firing on semi automatic would seem very "proportionate" in my book!
CPL Clott
Mass murderer? That would depend if I was working to UK Rules of Engagement and the Right of Self Defence or not? The line "risk to life" is the key one to observe...and "proportionality"
300 rioters hell bent on inflicting harm on 20 troops guarding a residential area - 2 ranks of 10 firing on semi automatic would seem very "proportionate" in my book!
CPL Clott
Cpl Clott,
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!
Seriously, the scenario you describe is exactly and precisely why the armed forces are wholly and totally unsuitable for use in such circumstances.
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!
Seriously, the scenario you describe is exactly and precisely why the armed forces are wholly and totally unsuitable for use in such circumstances.
Neanderthal dribblings? Now who is being really racist!
Most people living outside Africa can trace up to 4% of their DNA to a Neanderthal origin, a consequence of interbreeding between the two groups after the great migration from the contintent.