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"PS 500N, we appear in agreement Sir"
I had never read Enoch Powell's speech before - but I do remember him being a controversial figure in the 70's onwards (too young to remember before that).
I lived through the change and saw Birmingham "turn black" (not that I like the term but it describes it well) in a very short space of time so the speech struck a bit of a note with me.
Re immigrants and work - one of the reasons I think the Italians, Greeks etc ended up doing so well here in Aust is because they got off their backsides and worked damn hard - be it concreting, corner stores, brick laying, painting or digging through whole mountains almost by hand to create the Snowy Mountains River scheme (diverting water from a number of locations on one side of a mountain range to the other).
I am sure you have immigrants in the UK who are similar but I think here and in the UK you get a lot more who sit on welfare because it is so good.
Just my HO.
"PS 500N, we appear in agreement Sir"
I had never read Enoch Powell's speech before - but I do remember him being a controversial figure in the 70's onwards (too young to remember before that).
I lived through the change and saw Birmingham "turn black" (not that I like the term but it describes it well) in a very short space of time so the speech struck a bit of a note with me.
Re immigrants and work - one of the reasons I think the Italians, Greeks etc ended up doing so well here in Aust is because they got off their backsides and worked damn hard - be it concreting, corner stores, brick laying, painting or digging through whole mountains almost by hand to create the Snowy Mountains River scheme (diverting water from a number of locations on one side of a mountain range to the other).
I am sure you have immigrants in the UK who are similar but I think here and in the UK you get a lot more who sit on welfare because it is so good.
Just my HO.
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" Cpl Clott,
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!
Seriously, the scenario you describe is exactly and precisely why the armed forces are wholly and totally unsuitable for use in such circumstances."
Then in situations like these, you make sure none are left alive to answer questions.
I understand where you are coming from but someone needs to knock a few heads together and teach these guys a lesson.
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" Cpl Clott,
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!
Seriously, the scenario you describe is exactly and precisely why the armed forces are wholly and totally unsuitable for use in such circumstances."
Then in situations like these, you make sure none are left alive to answer questions.
I understand where you are coming from but someone needs to knock a few heads together and teach these guys a lesson.
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The B word,
Well done, got me hook line and sinker. Excellent!
500N
"...lot more who sit on welfare because it is so good."
Yep, £65.40 a week if you can prove that you have made three weekly valid attempts at finding employment, if you can't then it is stopped.
Surviving, because that's what it is, on UK benefits is no picnic and I cannot conceive of how anyone would imagine it to be "so good."
Well done, got me hook line and sinker. Excellent!
500N
"...lot more who sit on welfare because it is so good."
Yep, £65.40 a week if you can prove that you have made three weekly valid attempts at finding employment, if you can't then it is stopped.
Surviving, because that's what it is, on UK benefits is no picnic and I cannot conceive of how anyone would imagine it to be "so good."
500N,
Oh, and by the way, some of these people that you would 'teach a lesson" and "knock their heads" together are 7 years of age. In Hackney I reckon the average age was around 14 or 15.
Still happy to indiscriminately murder seven year old girls?
Oh, and by the way, some of these people that you would 'teach a lesson" and "knock their heads" together are 7 years of age. In Hackney I reckon the average age was around 14 or 15.
Still happy to indiscriminately murder seven year old girls?
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Seriously, the scenario you describe is exactly and precisely why the armed forces are wholly and totally unsuitable for use in such circumstances.
Tomb pilot turned lawyer - now that does make me chuckle!
Do you shout at the Judge louder to win the debrief!!?CPL Clott
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OK, valid point, welfare over here must be better than in the UK.
Re knocking heads together, who remembers the anecdotes or media reports of the time the local copper, instead of charging someone for a minor thing gave them a quick boot up the backside with an "on yer way" or gave them a "thick ear" and delivered to the parents - who generally agreed with the Policeman's actions ?
OK, valid point, welfare over here must be better than in the UK.
Re knocking heads together, who remembers the anecdotes or media reports of the time the local copper, instead of charging someone for a minor thing gave them a quick boot up the backside with an "on yer way" or gave them a "thick ear" and delivered to the parents - who generally agreed with the Policeman's actions ?
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Re " 500N,
Oh, and by the way, some of these people that you would 'teach a lesson" and "knock their heads" together are 7 years of age. In Hackney I reckon the average age was around 14 or 15. Still happy to indiscriminately murder seven year old girls?"
"In Hackney I reckon the average age was around 14 or 15 "who are looting, setting fire to buildings, running around with knives, shooting people dead, beating up old men" (A middle-aged man (pictured) from Ealing, west London who was attacked by black teenagers during the riots is fighting for his life in hospital after confronting the yobs for setting two industrial bins alight"
then Yes, they can suffer the consequences.
You can't have it both ways - although with the soft cock EU human rights crap they likely will.
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Re " 500N,
Oh, and by the way, some of these people that you would 'teach a lesson" and "knock their heads" together are 7 years of age. In Hackney I reckon the average age was around 14 or 15. Still happy to indiscriminately murder seven year old girls?"
"In Hackney I reckon the average age was around 14 or 15 "who are looting, setting fire to buildings, running around with knives, shooting people dead, beating up old men" (A middle-aged man (pictured) from Ealing, west London who was attacked by black teenagers during the riots is fighting for his life in hospital after confronting the yobs for setting two industrial bins alight"
then Yes, they can suffer the consequences.
You can't have it both ways - although with the soft cock EU human rights crap they likely will.
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Pr00ne,
Great measured post.
Your anger with the whole situation is now crystal clear and put your, erm, outburst into context. Fully understand your frustration.
Have a good night.
Great measured post.
Your anger with the whole situation is now crystal clear and put your, erm, outburst into context. Fully understand your frustration.
Have a good night.
Unfortunately folks, the UK is now sufferring the result of far too much `Political Correcrness` over a too longer period, all the chickens have come home to roost.
Was it not the present UK Home Secretary who very often kept spouting, that the UK was now a `multi cultural society`, quite what that means is open to debate.
What is now needed in the UK, is strong, brave, decisive leadership & direct action against the current wave of violence. Of course with the present load on both sides of the Commons, there will be much wringing of hands, but little in the way of courage & forthright action. Unfortunately the Iron Lady is not available, but I just wonder how she would have sorted the present mess out. For a start she would have kicked many ars*e & called many people to account, before sorting out the present mess rather quickly I feel.
I personaly do not think the Military shold be involved, unless they are given total & complete control, even to the use of live ammunition against looters etc, should this be required.
Was it not the present UK Home Secretary who very often kept spouting, that the UK was now a `multi cultural society`, quite what that means is open to debate.
What is now needed in the UK, is strong, brave, decisive leadership & direct action against the current wave of violence. Of course with the present load on both sides of the Commons, there will be much wringing of hands, but little in the way of courage & forthright action. Unfortunately the Iron Lady is not available, but I just wonder how she would have sorted the present mess out. For a start she would have kicked many ars*e & called many people to account, before sorting out the present mess rather quickly I feel.
I personaly do not think the Military shold be involved, unless they are given total & complete control, even to the use of live ammunition against looters etc, should this be required.
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"Unfortunately the Iron Lady is not available, but I just wonder how she would have sorted the present mess out. For a start she would have kicked many ars*e & called many people to account, before sorting out the present mess rather quickly I feel."
Agreed.
"I personaly do not think the Military shold be involved, unless they are given total & complete control, even to the use of live ammunition against looters etc, should this be required."
I'd like it to happen BUT, 1. Do we have the troops, 2. As some one posted bfore, are they trained in RIOT Control, 3. Would the Gov't really declare Martial law or whatever they have to do to pass complete control over to the Military (a la the Iranian Embassy). Was that the last time the British Military shot people on mainland UK soil ?
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Agree totally.
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Agreed.
"I personaly do not think the Military shold be involved, unless they are given total & complete control, even to the use of live ammunition against looters etc, should this be required."
I'd like it to happen BUT, 1. Do we have the troops, 2. As some one posted bfore, are they trained in RIOT Control, 3. Would the Gov't really declare Martial law or whatever they have to do to pass complete control over to the Military (a la the Iranian Embassy). Was that the last time the British Military shot people on mainland UK soil ?
TBM
Agree totally.
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Individual benefits can include (for a 25 year old):
Council Tax Benefit £67.50
Employment Support Allowance £67.50
Housing Benefit £67.50
Income Support £67.50
Not all at once, but certainly up to 3 out of 4. Plus you get more as a couple or if you have dependants. But they do need to be a resident for a couple of years if married to a UK national or 5 years if not.
Asylum seekers are different, they cannot work so can apply for financial support if they are destitute. The level of support is currently as follows:
Married couple (or in a civil partnership): £75.52
Lone parent aged 18 or over: £43.94
Single person aged 18 or over: £42.62
Pregnant women and women with children aged under three get additional help. They can also be housed, the Home Office uses private landlords and never in London or the South East, so they are not taking accommodation from UK citizens.
That will add up to a significant sum, especially when you consider the figures above are per week!
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Council Tax Benefit £67.50
Employment Support Allowance £67.50
Housing Benefit £67.50
Income Support £67.50
Not all at once, but certainly up to 3 out of 4. Plus you get more as a couple or if you have dependants. But they do need to be a resident for a couple of years if married to a UK national or 5 years if not.
Asylum seekers are different, they cannot work so can apply for financial support if they are destitute. The level of support is currently as follows:
Married couple (or in a civil partnership): £75.52
Lone parent aged 18 or over: £43.94
Single person aged 18 or over: £42.62
Pregnant women and women with children aged under three get additional help. They can also be housed, the Home Office uses private landlords and never in London or the South East, so they are not taking accommodation from UK citizens.
That will add up to a significant sum, especially when you consider the figures above are per week!
LJ
Rivers of blood?
You betya...
Some 111 Met officers have suffered injuries including serious head and eye wounds, cuts and fractured bones after being attacked by rioters wielding bottles, planks, bricks and even driving cars at them. Five police dogs have also been hurt.
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I vote for a trip to the armoury for all those with an in date weapons handling test.
What about those of us who haven't got an in date test??
PS Can supply own weapons if needed.
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The Police can't seem to stop them but .............. selective editing from the Telegraph.
It's good to see some people have the balls to stand up and fight.
"Locals in Clapham Junction, Dalston and Whitechapel took to the streets and faced down the mob on Monday night after realising that police were too over-stretched to help."
"John Comyn, who has lived in the area all his life, said: “Most people I spoke to were local and couldn't believe what was happening. No one wanted to venture down St John's Road but we weren't going to let them ruin our street."
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“People were still looking on and taking pictures but we weren't letting anyone in a mask or hood through. Whenever people tried people in the line rounded on them and they would turn back. This happened fairly regularly, in fairly small groups.”
Laurie Noble, who runs a shop on Battersea Rise, saw four of the men in the “human barrier” chase a looter away.
“There was a bloke with a mask and he had loads of handbags over his shoulder and round his neck. A bunch of blokes on Northcote Road started shouting at him and he dropped the bags. They chased him down the road. I thought 'well played to them',” she said."
In one of east London’s most fashionable districts, shopkeepers brandishing makeshift weapons took to the streets.
As nearby Hackney was targeted by rioters and looters, the mostly Turkish owners of barber shops and food stores in Dalston pulled the shutters down on their premises and stood guard outside.
Some were seen carrying tools to protect themselves and their businesses, as police officers were scarce in the area late on Monday night.
When suspected looters were seen in the area, the shopkeepers and their families ran shouting after them up the main road, Kingsland High Street
"Jerry Keshin, who runs Jerry's Food and Wine on Stoke Newington Road, said: “I shut early because I heard they were coming. I went down to Hoxton to get my boys and we drove back up and saw a group of about 10 rioters who were on their way into our area. We chased them into one of the estates and had it out. “Then we came back to the corner of Shacklewell Lane to keep the area safe. A load more of them came through at about 11.40 but the whole community was out to chase them away.
His friend Aykut Boyraz said: “The community is close and we all know each other. We're not going to have any riots around here. It doesn't matter if you're Turkish, if you live round here we'll defend you.”"
Shopkeepers in Harlesden, north-west London, also defended their businesses as others fell victim to the looters.
Up to 20 youths carrying pieces of wood and even mop handles tried to break into Best Buy on Harlesden High Street but locals said the staff were “not having it”.
It's good to see some people have the balls to stand up and fight.
"Locals in Clapham Junction, Dalston and Whitechapel took to the streets and faced down the mob on Monday night after realising that police were too over-stretched to help."
"John Comyn, who has lived in the area all his life, said: “Most people I spoke to were local and couldn't believe what was happening. No one wanted to venture down St John's Road but we weren't going to let them ruin our street."
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“People were still looking on and taking pictures but we weren't letting anyone in a mask or hood through. Whenever people tried people in the line rounded on them and they would turn back. This happened fairly regularly, in fairly small groups.”
Laurie Noble, who runs a shop on Battersea Rise, saw four of the men in the “human barrier” chase a looter away.
“There was a bloke with a mask and he had loads of handbags over his shoulder and round his neck. A bunch of blokes on Northcote Road started shouting at him and he dropped the bags. They chased him down the road. I thought 'well played to them',” she said."
In one of east London’s most fashionable districts, shopkeepers brandishing makeshift weapons took to the streets.
As nearby Hackney was targeted by rioters and looters, the mostly Turkish owners of barber shops and food stores in Dalston pulled the shutters down on their premises and stood guard outside.
Some were seen carrying tools to protect themselves and their businesses, as police officers were scarce in the area late on Monday night.
When suspected looters were seen in the area, the shopkeepers and their families ran shouting after them up the main road, Kingsland High Street
"Jerry Keshin, who runs Jerry's Food and Wine on Stoke Newington Road, said: “I shut early because I heard they were coming. I went down to Hoxton to get my boys and we drove back up and saw a group of about 10 rioters who were on their way into our area. We chased them into one of the estates and had it out. “Then we came back to the corner of Shacklewell Lane to keep the area safe. A load more of them came through at about 11.40 but the whole community was out to chase them away.
His friend Aykut Boyraz said: “The community is close and we all know each other. We're not going to have any riots around here. It doesn't matter if you're Turkish, if you live round here we'll defend you.”"
Shopkeepers in Harlesden, north-west London, also defended their businesses as others fell victim to the looters.
Up to 20 youths carrying pieces of wood and even mop handles tried to break into Best Buy on Harlesden High Street but locals said the staff were “not having it”.
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John Comyn, who has lived in the area all his life, said: “Most people I spoke to were local and couldn't believe what was happening. No one wanted to venture down St John's Road but we weren't going to let them ruin our street
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M' Learned Friend, prOOne
I also happen to believe in the criminal justice system and that means everyone has a right to a defence.
Cpl Clott,
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!
Besides, how many times is poor old Cpl Clott going to be arraigned?
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"Cpl Clott,
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!"
Dichotomy?
Besides, how many times is poor old Cpl Clott going to be arraigned? "
After the volley fire, I think Cpl Clott will die leading his section from the front in a bayonet charge, awarded the George Cross and buried with full military honours !!!
I wouldn't be prepared to defend you at the subsequent Courts martial!"
Dichotomy?
Besides, how many times is poor old Cpl Clott going to be arraigned? "
After the volley fire, I think Cpl Clott will die leading his section from the front in a bayonet charge, awarded the George Cross and buried with full military honours !!!
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The best quote from all this sorry mess:
Now those are immigrants worth having. True Brits.
His friend Aykut Boyraz said: “The community is close and we all know each other. We're not going to have any riots around here. It doesn't matter if you're Turkish, if you live round here we'll defend you.”"