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Part of the problem is the latent anti establishment feeling in most of us. Hence we tend to give some lip or attitude when we are told to do something by the authorities. Its simple really, if mister plod tells you to move on, then move on, and don't dawdle.
The trouble is cops have to deal with all sorts every day of their lives, majority of the time they get it right, they don't really need people making it hard for them just for the sake of it. They are human and frankly I don't know how they manage to maintain control of themselves after being spat on, cr@p thrown at them and abused constantly.
The trouble is cops have to deal with all sorts every day of their lives, majority of the time they get it right, they don't really need people making it hard for them just for the sake of it. They are human and frankly I don't know how they manage to maintain control of themselves after being spat on, cr@p thrown at them and abused constantly.
Also some bampot in Dundee has been charged with inciting riots in the city via the Book of Faces. They could use Wallaces Pies to break the windows I suppose
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I was responding to airpolice's assertion that "the rules of engagement have been set by the looters, not by the courts." Ignore the courts and you act at the expense of the law, not in enforcement of it.
Dehumanisation isn't the answer (you could well argue it is the root cause of the problem), and two wrongs don't make a right.
On a wider note, water cannon etc are great against static mobs who are there to face off against the police, but they take time to set up and are fairly useless against a mobile mob which is actively avoiding confrontation in favour of looting.
How is stopping looting, rioting and all the other crap (even if it is by use of water cannon, rubber bullets and baton charges and / or arresting the offenders) "jackbooted crushing of a perceived underclass who isn't acting "nice" at the expense of the very laws which we're castigating them for breaking."
If they behave like animals, they need to be bought back to a standard by whatever means needed. I am sure if we went to their house and rioted and set fire to it, they would say the same.
On a wider note, water cannon etc are great against static mobs who are there to face off against the police, but they take time to set up and are fairly useless against a mobile mob which is actively avoiding confrontation in favour of looting.
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Greater Manchester Police have started publishing sentences on a well-known social networking site beginning with "T" (@gmpolice). Nice to see that the Beak has awarded four months' youth custody to one young fellow for "Ranting and swearing at police".
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Might even sway the police budget, see we need a war at home to sort out the military one, can we invade Wales?? 
Good point NutLoose, can the politicians not draw any parallels between the Police problem, and the military cuts?
If they think riots in the cities is bad, wait until they see what an entire country at war is like.
If they think riots in the cities is bad, wait until they see what an entire country at war is like.
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Hmm, Was he definately arrested for a BoP? That offence requires serious harm to any person or damage to property to be immediately likely. (that's not the exact offence wording for the pedants)
More likely I would have thought would be an arrest for S5 Public order. This is a favourite where persons are swearing because it covers disorderly conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm and distress. Increasingly though, we're seeing courts rule that Police Officers can't be the alarmed person because they should have a higher tolerance of such behaviour.
As for the cop swearing. This isn't always terribly professional or dignified but I don't think theres much mileage in debating whether a "f*ck" is worse than a "p*ss" or vice versa.
Personally, I'm a fan of communicating at a level that can be understood. A quick "F*ck off sunshine" whispered in the ear of a miscreant can be surprisingly menacing and effective if done well.
More likely I would have thought would be an arrest for S5 Public order. This is a favourite where persons are swearing because it covers disorderly conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm and distress. Increasingly though, we're seeing courts rule that Police Officers can't be the alarmed person because they should have a higher tolerance of such behaviour.
As for the cop swearing. This isn't always terribly professional or dignified but I don't think theres much mileage in debating whether a "f*ck" is worse than a "p*ss" or vice versa.
Personally, I'm a fan of communicating at a level that can be understood. A quick "F*ck off sunshine" whispered in the ear of a miscreant can be surprisingly menacing and effective if done well.
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"Personally, I'm a fan of communicating at a level that can be understood. A quick "F*ck off sunshine" whispered in the ear of a miscreant can be surprisingly menacing and effective if done well.
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The modern day version of the old coppers "clip around the ear" or swift kick up the bum with an "on yer way".
I agree, when done well, very effective.
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"Personally, I'm a fan of communicating at a level that can be understood. A quick "F*ck off sunshine" whispered in the ear of a miscreant can be surprisingly menacing and effective if done well.
"The modern day version of the old coppers "clip around the ear" or swift kick up the bum with an "on yer way".
I agree, when done well, very effective.
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It amazes me some of people who have been caught up in this.
Millionaires daughter, School assistant, Aspring model, Parachute Regt Gunner.
Certainly not all down and out.
Millionaires daughter, School assistant, Aspring model, Parachute Regt Gunner.
Certainly not all down and out.
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Heres a question, I was watching a re run of 'coppers' and Manchester Police were dealing with a march by some group or other. One marcher shouted 'F88k off' and a copper said if you swear again you'll be arrested for breach of the peace. The marcher swore again and was rightly nicked. Then the copper starts shouting at the guy 'stop p*ssing me about' and pushed him forcably against the back of a Police van. Now my question is what constitutes 'swearing and ranting' and should the copper have arrested himself to make it fair.... discuss
Ranting and swearing at police
Heres a question, I was watching a re run of 'coppers' and Manchester Police were dealing with a march by some group or other. One marcher shouted 'F88k off' and a copper said if you swear again you'll be arrested for breach of the peace. The marcher swore again and was rightly nicked. Then the copper starts shouting at the guy 'stop p*ssing me about' and pushed him forcably against the back of a Police van. Now my question is what constitutes 'swearing and ranting' and should the copper have arrested himself to make it fair.... discuss
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: ‘Officers are issued with a memo card providing useful guidance on the execution of their powers.
‘In particular it reminds them that the courts do not accept that simply swearing at a police officer is grounds for an arrest and illustrates how the Met has had to make settlements in the past when officers have arrested solely for this.’
Read more: Swearing at police 'is no longer an offence' | Mail Online
‘In particular it reminds them that the courts do not accept that simply swearing at a police officer is grounds for an arrest and illustrates how the Met has had to make settlements in the past when officers have arrested solely for this.’
Read more: Swearing at police 'is no longer an offence' | Mail Online
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I'm up a 1£, having bet my friend last week that at least one soldier would be involved and arrested..Inevitable, sadly.
How many more soldiers to be arrested? or how many have got away with it?
How many more soldiers to be arrested? or how many have got away with it?
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I think you may have got your facts slighly confused. BoP is the least serious of all 'Public Order' Offences.
The courts are thankfully treating offenders involved in the recent disorder with the contempt they deserve and dishing out immediate custodial sentences.
The Namby Pamby Lefty Pinkos will no doubt be calling fall and saying 'It doesn't do any good'. It does, whilst these oiks are locked up, they are not committing crime and making peoples lives a misery.
Many many individulas have had their lives changed forever by mindless, brainless halfwits.
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The courts are thankfully treating offenders involved in the recent disorder with the contempt they deserve and dishing out immediate custodial sentences.
The Namby Pamby Lefty Pinkos will no doubt be calling fall and saying 'It doesn't do any good'. It does, whilst these oiks are locked up, they are not committing crime and making peoples lives a misery.
Many many individulas have had their lives changed forever by mindless, brainless halfwits.
TN.
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Nice to see that the Beak has awarded four months' youth custody to one young fellow for "Ranting and swearing at police".
The CPS were limp, only charging three with assault, despite the clear intent to wound by hitting me on the eye (intent to wound = GBH).
All got referral orders of eight months as it was their first offence. On completion their records are clean under the terms of a referral order.
While I don't like people swearing at police officers, the mass assault of one person by at least four (more like eight) others resulting in hospital treatment is a few levels higher I think. My faith in the UK justice system isn't any the better for seeing the response of the courts to the rioters.
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Not so I'm afraid. Breach of peace isn't part of the public order act at all and isn't actually a crime. It covers a huge range of behaviours and is generally the last resort when other laws don't apply.
