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I thought that "propaganda" was the creative use of lies for a political purpose. No distinction, as I see it, between a lie and propaganda.
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Mind you, given the amount of triple-A weaponry on the ground it would have to work hard to stay out of trouble. That would be the mother-of-all gunfights...
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Propaganda could also (depending if you are receiving or delivering) be a distortion of the/a facts to benefit,justify or explain a series of events to enhance your own interests or objectives. Truth or lies is maybe not relevant, maybe it's the end result and how it is received and if it is successful.
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Well 00, the world really has not changed much over the years, them you know are possibly UN predictable and can bite your arse, them you don't know you treat with more caution in case the do BYA. in short don't trust any one and prepare to be shafted. *
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Very true, 00. But but do not leave an opening to be taken advantage off.
Any way slight thread drift creeping in so will bog out and look for more tactical advice and responce re the NFZ.
Any way slight thread drift creeping in so will bog out and look for more tactical advice and responce re the NFZ.
I messed it up with Syria, you right it is Libya
US Navy P-3C, USAF A-10 and USS Barry Engage Libyan Vessels
From Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn Public Affairs
USS MOUNT WHITNEY, At Sea (NNS) -- A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, U.S. Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft and guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG-52), engaged Libyan Coast Guard vessel Vittoria and two smaller crafts March 28.
The vessels were engaged after confirmed reports that Vittoria and accompanying crafts were firing indiscriminately at merchant vessels in the port of Misrata, Libya.
The P-3C fired at Vittoria with AGM-65F Maverick missiles, rendering the 12-meter patrol vessel ineffective and forcing it to be beached after multiple explosions were observed in the vicinity of the port.
Two smaller Libyan crafts were fired upon by the A-10 using its 30mm GAU-8/ Avenger cannon, destroying one and forcing the other to be abandoned.
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From Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn Public Affairs
USS MOUNT WHITNEY, At Sea (NNS) -- A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, U.S. Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft and guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG-52), engaged Libyan Coast Guard vessel Vittoria and two smaller crafts March 28.
The vessels were engaged after confirmed reports that Vittoria and accompanying crafts were firing indiscriminately at merchant vessels in the port of Misrata, Libya.
The P-3C fired at Vittoria with AGM-65F Maverick missiles, rendering the 12-meter patrol vessel ineffective and forcing it to be beached after multiple explosions were observed in the vicinity of the port.
Two smaller Libyan crafts were fired upon by the A-10 using its 30mm GAU-8/ Avenger cannon, destroying one and forcing the other to be abandoned.
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An elephantito named Dumbo, perhaps. 
Trick is to stop the little bugger from flying ...
Trick is to stop the little bugger from flying ...
An amazing series of images from Libya. The munition caught in flight looks like a GBU-31 JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) fitted with a BLU-109 penetrator warhead? That variant of JDAM has quite a distinct shape.
Boeing JDAM
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Boeing JDAM
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So we haven't ruled out, along with the USA, in arming the rebels (on the news this morning)..... ahh we can sell them Nimrods..... oops to late...... Perhaps some of the Jags in store..... Oops the wings FI is up on a lot of those.......... Harriers is it??
Shame we can't provide for our own armed forces fully with what is needed, but are happy to provide to others.
Shame we can't provide for our own armed forces fully with what is needed, but are happy to provide to others.
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The RN's FacePPrune update today:
"Liverpool Joins Libyan Mission After Firing Her Main Weapon"
sounds uncomfortable
"Liverpool Joins Libyan Mission After Firing Her Main Weapon"
sounds uncomfortable
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Just an observation or two.
Who will be training the rebels on any new weapons that we will be providing, bearing in mind western powers have said they will not have troops on the ground in Libya.
Ever noticed the amount of civil staff found in airbases, naval bases barracks and camps around the world, how can we say that we haven't killed any civilians ourselves during our UN mandated mission to protect civilian lives?
Why do we need an Army with all its technical kit?
All we need is a fleet of Toyotas with a few big guns attached, a handful of AKs and RPGs and Bobs your uncle. If untrained rebels can advance so well with just that kit being randomly fired into the air and a bit of air support, we can cutback on defence savings and hold out until our economy is better.
With embedded reporters alongside the rebels, we are seeing very little opposition and civilian casualties.
With embedded reporters alongside Gadaffi supporters, we are seeing very liitle civilian casualties.
Who was it that said that the bigger the lie, the easier it is for the people to belive it?
The first casualty of war is the truth and history will be written by the victor.
That has happened throughout time and will continue to happen.
Ever noticed the amount of civil staff found in airbases, naval bases barracks and camps around the world, how can we say that we haven't killed any civilians ourselves during our UN mandated mission to protect civilian lives?
Why do we need an Army with all its technical kit?
All we need is a fleet of Toyotas with a few big guns attached, a handful of AKs and RPGs and Bobs your uncle. If untrained rebels can advance so well with just that kit being randomly fired into the air and a bit of air support, we can cutback on defence savings and hold out until our economy is better.
With embedded reporters alongside the rebels, we are seeing very little opposition and civilian casualties.
With embedded reporters alongside Gadaffi supporters, we are seeing very liitle civilian casualties.
Who was it that said that the bigger the lie, the easier it is for the people to belive it?
The first casualty of war is the truth and history will be written by the victor.
That has happened throughout time and will continue to happen.