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Old 25th Mar 2011, 19:46
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Once met King Hussein. This has always been a possibility in Jordan. Very tricky during GW1.
Kuwait is quiet. I believe the Emir has just handed every citizen a wad of cash. Simples.
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Old 25th Mar 2011, 19:46
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It'll be 'interesting' to see if this affects flights in and out of theater that transit the region.
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Old 25th Mar 2011, 23:22
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BBC News - Syria: Protests in Deraa, Damascus, Hama and Homs

Wonder how many here are demonstrating thinking that they will be protected by a NFZ

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I would be interested to hear your recommendation on how we should deal with Syria?
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Old 25th Mar 2011, 23:31
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Brimstone being deployed from Tornado GR4 against Libyan armour.

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Old 25th Mar 2011, 23:35
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Today a RNoAF 2-ship 3 bombs enemy tanks, destroying 2. (2 GBU12 and 1 GBU54 by the looks of it)

The other aircraft in the flight is shown after landing sans bombs in a video released to media.

http://forsvaret.no/sites/video/Publ...te_dropp_1.mp4

Good job lads!

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Old 25th Mar 2011, 23:43
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That first tank looks like it had already been hit once.

Any comment ?


Well done to those enforcing the NFZ.
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 00:10
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That first tank looks like it had already been hit once.

Any comment ?
The first tank goes up with a series of explosions, almost like a roman candle, which I reckon is the magazine going off. So even if the tank had been hit before (which there is no way of telling from the video) this attack has destroyed all the (salvageable) ammo and ensured that the tank is definitely 'beyond use'.

Good work chaps; nice to see the Brimstone warhead being used for its intended purpose!
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 11:03
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Felt from Day 1 a NFZ was just a mealy mouthed attempt at regime change under another name done soley to aid Western Oil firms who will quite happily pay for Mercenaries and Weapons to be delivered to their clients.

Dragging this into a war against a muslim Infidel (Gadaffi) just ensure the elimination of a secular dictator to be replace by an Islamic dictator allied in with the Saudi's.

Getting kind of tired to see good men put in harms way to suit the House of Saud and its attempt to bring all muslims under its umbrella.

Bahrain taken over and west goes quiet, Yemen attacks its people and everyone goes quiet but its just opponents of the House of Saud that are the enemies.
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 12:07
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Interesting thoughts here - even if we manage to scrape through this again and the rebels win - will it confirm SDSR cuts rather than revoke them?

Initial analysis - Libyan No Fly Zone | Aerospace Insight | The Royal Aeronautical Society

Plus.. close air support in urban areas - are we gonna need boots on the ground anyone in the form of JTACs?
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 13:51
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Enforcing a "No Fly" dictate....by destroying Tanks???

Where's the "Bush Lied" protesters these days?
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 14:25
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SASLess,

It was always much more than an NFZ; the surprise to me of UNSCR 1973 was that it was so clear (in Operative Paragraph 4) that force could be used against anyone presenting a threat to civilians.

No case of "Bush lied" here.

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Old 26th Mar 2011, 15:29
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The article stated that Arabs also want regime change (hence the arms supply - but on the quiet), the problem is, no one seems to want to go the whole hog. In some ways understandably.
Perhaps not the best choice of words!
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Quote: The article stated that Arabs also want regime change (hence the arms supply - but on the quiet), the problem is, no one seems to want to go the whole hog. In some ways understandably.
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The article stated that Arabs also want regime change (hence the arms supply - but on the quiet), the problem is, no one seems to want to go the whole hog. In some ways understandably.

Perhaps not the best choice of words!
OK, how about the whole "enchilada"
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 16:06
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From Initial analysis - Libyan No Fly Zone | Aerospace Insight | The Royal Aeronautical Society:

The fact that both the USMC and Italian Navy have deployed AV-8s may therefore strengthen those who believe that the aircraft could still be recovered and put back into service – but that would be a major embarrassment to the Government and MoD. ...

No, the Navy Dept. wants to retire its Harriers and replace them with F-35B's operated from America-class escort carriers-in-all-but-name. Likewise, the UK shouldn't cling too long to yesteryear's VSTOL aircraft.

Notice that F-18's could have been used to do everything the Harriers have done so far, except perhaps a CSAR mission on short notice. The Navy/USMC wanted its Harriers and LHA ships to get some publicity.

... I don't expect this Libya stuff to turn out very well, in terms of making North Africka safe for democracy, separation of church and state, etc.

However, the Libya no fly zone is a useful festival for aerospace advertising, marketing and sales. It will probably end up being stimulative for Western economies, at least the manufacturing sectors thereof.
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 18:22
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CF-18 Advanced Targeting Pod - Destruction of Libyan weapons depot - March 23, 2011.

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Tornado GR4 mission from RAF Marham to Libya including refuelling from 216 Sqn TriStar - March 22, 2011

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Tornado GR4 continue to fly sorties from Gioia Del Colle - March 23, 2011

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RAF Typhoon arrives back at Gioia del Colle Air Base, Italy

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RAF Typhoons fly first mission - March 21, 2011

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More Ministry of Defence videos at the following.

YouTube - defenceheadquarters's Channel

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Old 26th Mar 2011, 18:40
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TEEJ's third video shows GR4 carrying 2 x ASRAAM - a new clearance rushed through for this op? Looks like the old girl has a sting in the tail for her last few years in service!
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How long will it take HMS Ocean to get within striking range?
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 18:52
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S41,

My point is Barry Boy et al has described this as a 'No Fly Zone" operation and that it would only last a few days...no boots on the ground....and we're off for Gongs and group hugs. It was predicated upn a "humanitarian crisis" not military reasons. In 24 hours Barry Boy went from "The Thug must go"....to "We are not targetting the Thug". If Dubya was in the chair....the Code Pink bunch and all the other radical Left groups would have been doing the Hue and Cry scene egged on and suported by the Main Stream media.

Fact.....to this time....Barry Boy has not addressed the Nation and explained why we are at War with Libya.

I am confused by all this....Barry Boy et al are claiming we have to stop Big Nose from murdering his own citizens....and we are doing this by......killing his citizens (that support him).

I suggest we should have started by killing one Libyan for sure....Gaddafi himself and perhaps all of his seed as possible.
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 19:00
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
TEEJ's third video shows GR4 carrying 2 x ASRAAM - a new clearance rushed through for this op? Looks like the old girl has a sting in the tail for her last few years in service!
Clearance was out well before this op m8, even before they started getting uppity.
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Old 26th Mar 2011, 19:00
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Quite amazing to see the last vestiges of a credible RAF being used to plink tanks, but when you look at CAS's strategic priorities, there it is larger than life:

Introduce Typhoon into operational service and, as swiftly as possible, provide the aircraft with a robust all-weather multi-role capability
So we can check that box now.

Modern Elmo nailed it:

However, the Libya no fly zone is a useful festival for aerospace advertising, marketing and sales. It will probably end up being stimulative for Western economies, at least the manufacturing sectors thereof.
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