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Op tour doing what exactly?
Although Op tours are generally unestablished, the posts on these tours are not. I imagine there are few generalist posts open to WSOps or MPA officers.
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Joe, as one of the ISK WSOps you mention, I, and many others, just want to get on with life - it's pretty soul-destroying to go in to work and not do much of anything as there is no plan yet.
Jobs have been trickling in but they are a drop in the ocean compared to what's needed. I have been trying for pretty much all of the any trade, anywhere jobs for my rank to no avail so far. We, well the vast majority of us, are professionals who just want to get on with our lives but cannot until the powers that be decide what the plan is.
I don't care if make me redundant or give me a job, I'd prefer to stay but I just want to be able to get on with my life. I can't apply for civilian jobs as I can't afford to PVR and don't know if I'm going to be made redundant but I can't sell my house as I could be made redundant and would therefore need somewhere to live. We are not special, just in a bit of an awkward situation at the moment and, until they let us in on the plan, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Jobs have been trickling in but they are a drop in the ocean compared to what's needed. I have been trying for pretty much all of the any trade, anywhere jobs for my rank to no avail so far. We, well the vast majority of us, are professionals who just want to get on with our lives but cannot until the powers that be decide what the plan is.
I don't care if make me redundant or give me a job, I'd prefer to stay but I just want to be able to get on with my life. I can't apply for civilian jobs as I can't afford to PVR and don't know if I'm going to be made redundant but I can't sell my house as I could be made redundant and would therefore need somewhere to live. We are not special, just in a bit of an awkward situation at the moment and, until they let us in on the plan, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Originally Posted by gijoe
Families - stag on and do what others have been doing for years until that future is fully worked out. Other halves - start coming up with those plans about schools and job like everyone else has to every 2 or 3 years.
IMHO it is ridiculous to try to equate the current situation for those at ISK and elsewhere with the uncertainties of the normal run of the mill posting plot.
As for 'bleating' - how dare military professionals discuss their concerns on a forum provided for discussion amongst errrm, military professionals?
....and "bladdered" at 1118?
Still hung over from the night before, or a very early starter? Either way, being "bladdered" just before lunch could be considered a danger sign.
Still hung over from the night before, or a very early starter? Either way, being "bladdered" just before lunch could be considered a danger sign.
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Perhaps he gets bladdered easily and has a small d**k!
I believe that ISK is still hosting "government sponsored" flying until 24/7 Foreign MPA support coverage can be sorted out elsewhere.
Re "bleating" and "stagging on". F**k Off. Been doing it since Armilla Patrol, Granby, Sharp Guard, Saif Sarea & 9/11 days. When did you join? The late 90s I suppose.
Get some hair under your ars*!
I believe that ISK is still hosting "government sponsored" flying until 24/7 Foreign MPA support coverage can be sorted out elsewhere.
Re "bleating" and "stagging on". F**k Off. Been doing it since Armilla Patrol, Granby, Sharp Guard, Saif Sarea & 9/11 days. When did you join? The late 90s I suppose.
Get some hair under your ars*!
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'MUtty - it is worse than that. The whole airfield, including associated manpower and equipment, is still up and running at ISK (and costing money) even though they have no aeroplanes'
Because we have to support the other nations that are plugging our capability gap. In terms of aircrew doing nothing I think you will find that since our 'allies' have filled the gap, ISK aircrew have flown with them and stopped them looking like Ncuts. Well done SNATCHO !
Because we have to support the other nations that are plugging our capability gap. In terms of aircrew doing nothing I think you will find that since our 'allies' have filled the gap, ISK aircrew have flown with them and stopped them looking like Ncuts. Well done SNATCHO !
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Having taught a number of Wsops at Sleaford Tech you are more than capable of a wide varity of roles and ground based jobs.
Don't wait for manning, they really don't care that much. Apply for a grd based commission or find a niche job somewhere else, present this to the desky-make his job easy.
Get onto the phone and start look around 'Defence' for that key job and go for it. The system is in too much of astate of shock at the moment to look after your future.
Don't wait for manning, they really don't care that much. Apply for a grd based commission or find a niche job somewhere else, present this to the desky-make his job easy.
Get onto the phone and start look around 'Defence' for that key job and go for it. The system is in too much of astate of shock at the moment to look after your future.
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Don't wait for manning, they really don't care that much. Apply for a grd based commission
They don't really care that much
In the past I have researched potential future slots, and then approached my Postings Officer about it. In person he was positive and grateful for my enthusiasm, even stating with a smile and a handshake "You've done my job for me."
However the promised paperwork never arrived two weeks later, and as the months flew by, as did my unanswered emails and telephone calls, he instead decided to shaft me with an extension of my tour.
However the promised paperwork never arrived two weeks later, and as the months flew by, as did my unanswered emails and telephone calls, he instead decided to shaft me with an extension of my tour.
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RG At least you tried.
The clue is in the name 'Manning' which changed from PMA sometime ago and is now no longer personal (sic) or management. Its not their fault with desk officers now having to cope with between 340-575 aircrew of various shades. I have worked the system to get what I want and have also had my fingers burnt on broken 'gentlemans agreements' so don't rely on the friendly phone, get the JPA notice to move squared away. Getting to know who your desk officer's PA helps in this regard.
Get your RAF career moving forward now, as there are going to be alot of people in the same boat as the Kinloss lads and lasses pretty soon on the Strat/Tac AT fleets.
As for Grd Branches: a CR WSOp is more than capable of filling ANY commissioned grd branch position. I have seen plenty do so. It just takes a change of mindset folks. In my opinion quite a number of grd trades could do with an inject of aircrew can-do/ coal face mentality. Too many 9-5ers with little understanding of the importance of support to operations infest their ranks.
Be positive-as the great sage Clint Eastwood said 'we don't have problems, we have creative opportunities'
PS Don't sell the house, as an Army Major will be paying you top dollar for it in 3 years time!
The clue is in the name 'Manning' which changed from PMA sometime ago and is now no longer personal (sic) or management. Its not their fault with desk officers now having to cope with between 340-575 aircrew of various shades. I have worked the system to get what I want and have also had my fingers burnt on broken 'gentlemans agreements' so don't rely on the friendly phone, get the JPA notice to move squared away. Getting to know who your desk officer's PA helps in this regard.
Get your RAF career moving forward now, as there are going to be alot of people in the same boat as the Kinloss lads and lasses pretty soon on the Strat/Tac AT fleets.
As for Grd Branches: a CR WSOp is more than capable of filling ANY commissioned grd branch position. I have seen plenty do so. It just takes a change of mindset folks. In my opinion quite a number of grd trades could do with an inject of aircrew can-do/ coal face mentality. Too many 9-5ers with little understanding of the importance of support to operations infest their ranks.
Be positive-as the great sage Clint Eastwood said 'we don't have problems, we have creative opportunities'
PS Don't sell the house, as an Army Major will be paying you top dollar for it in 3 years time!
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The gentlemen's agreement
Rule 2. Put it in writing - "Thank you for . . . I am glad we agree . . . I would be delighted to accept the offer . . . " etc etc.
Rule 3. As tri says above.
I once had an agreement that I would continue in my current disestablished post until my original tourex date. As I had started with a 6-month OOA I needed the remaining 18 month before the next shuffle.
Two months later I was posted.
What saved me was the staish and OC Ops batting for me, my poster had only been moved upstairs so he was still called to account, and it had been put in writing.
The new poster was 100% ***d off and not content put together a string of courses, about 8 months, so that he could get me off the unit and clear his books while I remained in my home. I could see where this was going as the alternative was Marham. I accepted. OC Ops called me in and asked if I wanted the posting notice cancelling as per the original deal. I was tempted but knew the poster would always win.
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Bump:
For those that do not routinely look at the OASC thread there is some good gen there by onefifty about recruitment of WSOp and Pilots - basically none.
"Due to the fewer officer vacancies currently within the RAF, it has been decided that for applications processed from 1 Jan 1011, the academic requirement will be increased to 2 x 'A' levels grade A-C and 5 x GCSC grades A-C. For the aptitude branches (Pilot, ABM, ATC & Int), the maths must be at least grade B.
NON-COMMISSIONED AIRCREW/SNCO ATC
for WSOps hence for the foreseeable future we will not be recruiting for this role. When we do recommence, the academic requirement will remain at 5 x GCSE Grade A-C, one of which must be maths at grade B. NCO ATC will also have this increased academic requirement.
A note on Pilot recruitment:
it is not envisaged that any new recruit pilots will commence employment in the RAF before July 2012. Potential "
There is a bit more on the OASC thread but clearly there will be no competition from civilians for any available posts. Equally, unless the training schools have a moratorium, there will be vacancies in the system for retraining.
For those that do not routinely look at the OASC thread there is some good gen there by onefifty about recruitment of WSOp and Pilots - basically none.
"Due to the fewer officer vacancies currently within the RAF, it has been decided that for applications processed from 1 Jan 1011, the academic requirement will be increased to 2 x 'A' levels grade A-C and 5 x GCSC grades A-C. For the aptitude branches (Pilot, ABM, ATC & Int), the maths must be at least grade B.
NON-COMMISSIONED AIRCREW/SNCO ATC
for WSOps hence for the foreseeable future we will not be recruiting for this role. When we do recommence, the academic requirement will remain at 5 x GCSE Grade A-C, one of which must be maths at grade B. NCO ATC will also have this increased academic requirement.
A note on Pilot recruitment:
it is not envisaged that any new recruit pilots will commence employment in the RAF before July 2012. Potential "
There is a bit more on the OASC thread but clearly there will be no competition from civilians for any available posts. Equally, unless the training schools have a moratorium, there will be vacancies in the system for retraining.
A note on Pilot recruitment:
it is not envisaged that any new recruit pilots will commence employment in the RAF before July 2012. Potential "
it is not envisaged that any new recruit pilots will commence employment in the RAF before July 2012. Potential "
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BB, that, in a nutshell, is the $64,000 question, answers on a postage stamp please.