F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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Interesting reading:
Test Pilot Tried to Warn Navy About Troubled Stealth Jet
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/8d09a6b858ae
Test Pilot Tried to Warn Navy About Troubled Stealth Jet
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/8d09a6b858ae
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Do you think the same for any Naval Aircraft? It would be interesting to know your perception of how many arrested landings an F-35C may make compared to ordinary runway landings. Of course you can only guess but nevertheless is the hook a 'pointless' accessory? It is so handy - not just for carrier arrested landings but even the F-35A has an emergency hook - which will probably never be used. But lets get rid of that quick smart.
The STOVL MODE of the F-35B allows landings in a kinds of situations where a conventional aircraft - even one with a hook - would find such landing impossible. Let us not forget a STO. But you knew that - right?
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That's not me, I'm shorter than that
Originally Posted by JSFfan
it's a very disappointed monk that believed the emulation nonsense of anything within a mile radius
Interesting reading:
Test Pilot Tried to Warn Navy About Troubled Stealth Jet
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/8d09a6b858ae
Test Pilot Tried to Warn Navy About Troubled Stealth Jet
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/8d09a6b858ae
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/85b3bdabf14b
While I usually take Axe with a grain of salt, this assessment, depending upon the source of the "leak" USNI got ahold of, is in the reasonable category, and the time scale of UCAV/UCLAS IOC is about what I expected once the carrier trials were made public for the X-47.
As people have been saying for about ten years .... the F-35 is the last manned fighter the US will produce. Ever.
Still betting the over on that one.
While I usually take Axe with a grain of salt, this assessment, depending upon the source of the "leak" USNI got ahold of, is in the reasonable category, and the time scale of UCAV/UCLAS IOC is about what I expected once the carrier trials were made public for the X-47.
As people have been saying for about ten years .... the F-35 is the last manned fighter the US will produce. Ever.
Still betting the over on that one.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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SloMoSTO Video
One-eighth slow motion video clip of a STO onboard USS Wasp - note the shooter not bothering to hold on to the deck tiedown fitting and of course the nonchalant bow man: [OLD 2011 Quote Below]
Vertical landings hit the mark in F-35B’s tests By Kate Wiltrout The Virginian-Pilot 20 Oct 2011
Vertical landings hit the mark in F-35B's tests | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com
F 35B STO ShortTakeOff SLOMO one eighth speed - YouTube
Vertical landings hit the mark in F-35B’s tests By Kate Wiltrout The Virginian-Pilot 20 Oct 2011
“...Engineers initially thought the jet would create far more turbulence on the flight deck because it's much more powerful than the Harrier. Cordell said for the first few flights off the Wasp, the shooter – the flight deck crewmember who taps the flight deck, signaling final permission for pilots to takeoff – was told to tuck his head down, run to the ship's island (superstructure) & hold on for the actual launch. After a number of takeoffs, Cordell said, the shooter said that precaution seemed unnecessary. Couldn't he just hold onto one of the metal rings set into the flight deck, like he did when Harriers launched? The engineers assented.
Engineers were also concerned about the forward-most flight deck crewmember – the bow-waver, who signals to the shooter that there's no interference before takeoff. "He is right at the point where the wing is demanding the most lift possible, where you'd expect outwash and potential problems. He stands there as if he has very few cares in the world," Cordell said. Adm. Kevin Scott, the commander of Expeditionary Strike Group Two, seconded that point. "I didn't believe it at first. So I walked up there and stood next to him. It was really impressive," Scott told reporters....”
Engineers were also concerned about the forward-most flight deck crewmember – the bow-waver, who signals to the shooter that there's no interference before takeoff. "He is right at the point where the wing is demanding the most lift possible, where you'd expect outwash and potential problems. He stands there as if he has very few cares in the world," Cordell said. Adm. Kevin Scott, the commander of Expeditionary Strike Group Two, seconded that point. "I didn't believe it at first. So I walked up there and stood next to him. It was really impressive," Scott told reporters....”
F 35B STO ShortTakeOff SLOMO one eighth speed - YouTube
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Many More F-35 Items in Update 11 at URL
F-35 Flight Test Update 11 27 Aug 2013 By Eric Hehs
Code One Magazine: F-35 Flight Test Update 11
"...14 June 2013: AF-6, AF-7, BF-17, and BF-18 were used to complete the first F-35 airborne four-ship MADL connection; at Edwards AFB, California. The airborne four-ship also achieved MADL connectivity with AF-3 during its ground test, marking the first five-ship MADL connection...."
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Video Hot Refuel 2 F-35Bs + Conventional Land & TakeOff betimes
See two F-35Bs land and takeoff in the conventional manner at MCAS Miramar and inbetween be hot refuelled - the video:
F-35B Hot Refuel at MCAS Miramar 07 Aug 2013
https://vimeo.com/73152376
F-35B Hot Refuel at MCAS Miramar 07 Aug 2013
"08/26/2013: Two U.S. Marine F-35B Lightning II jets with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, Marine Air Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW), conduct a training flight from Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Ariz. to MCAS Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013 for a hot pit refuel. This evolution marked the first time a F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar.
Credit:3D Marine Aircraft Wing Combat Camera 08/7/13"
Credit:3D Marine Aircraft Wing Combat Camera 08/7/13"
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Raymond “Chip” Dudderar is a retired U.S. Navy aviator and test pilot. For nearly three decades he flew Navy A-7s and F/A-18s — and also Marine Corps AV-8 Harrier jump jets as an exchange pilot. Retiring in 1996, Dudderar pursued a second career with the Department of Justice, investigating the Navy’s botched, multi-billion-dollar A-12 stealth warplane program, which spawned several nasty lawsuits pitting the government against the contractors.
In his capacity as an air power consultant, in 2010 Dudderar penned informal, unclassified analyses for Navy admirals outlining the problems with another pricey, problematic airplane development: the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which is costing more than $400 billion just to design and buy 2,400 copies for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. The Navy foots the bill for the Marines’ new weapons.
Dudderar focused his attention on the Marines’ F-35B jump jet model, a supposed successor to the Short Takeoff Vertical Landing (STOVL) Harrier that has run into particularly serious managerial, design and performance problems—even warranting a yearlong Pentagon “probation” a few years ago.
He drew on experience overseeing a Harrier detachment in some of the same conditions in which the Marines expect the new F-35B to function. “I learned first-hand … about the foolishness of the STOVL concept in a true operational environment,” Dudderar tells War is Boring. “I have tried to alert the Navy and others of the these fatal flaws that are now coming home to roost in the F-35.”
What follows is the first [and second] of Dudderar’s warnings to the Navy, edited for style and clarity.
Test Pilot Tried to Warn Navy About Troubled Stealth Jet
Vertical-landing F-35B is the wrong airplane for the wrong mission, Chip Dudderar told officers.
Marines’ Stealth Fighter Repeating Navy Jet’s Embarrassing History
F-35B making same mistakes as canceled A-12, test pilot Chip Dudderar warned
In his capacity as an air power consultant, in 2010 Dudderar penned informal, unclassified analyses for Navy admirals outlining the problems with another pricey, problematic airplane development: the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which is costing more than $400 billion just to design and buy 2,400 copies for the Air Force, Navy and Marines. The Navy foots the bill for the Marines’ new weapons.
Dudderar focused his attention on the Marines’ F-35B jump jet model, a supposed successor to the Short Takeoff Vertical Landing (STOVL) Harrier that has run into particularly serious managerial, design and performance problems—even warranting a yearlong Pentagon “probation” a few years ago.
He drew on experience overseeing a Harrier detachment in some of the same conditions in which the Marines expect the new F-35B to function. “I learned first-hand … about the foolishness of the STOVL concept in a true operational environment,” Dudderar tells War is Boring. “I have tried to alert the Navy and others of the these fatal flaws that are now coming home to roost in the F-35.”
What follows is the first [and second] of Dudderar’s warnings to the Navy, edited for style and clarity.
Test Pilot Tried to Warn Navy About Troubled Stealth Jet
Vertical-landing F-35B is the wrong airplane for the wrong mission, Chip Dudderar told officers.
Marines’ Stealth Fighter Repeating Navy Jet’s Embarrassing History
F-35B making same mistakes as canceled A-12, test pilot Chip Dudderar warned
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"I learned first-hand … about the foolishness of the STOVL concept in a true operational environment,"
so he wasn't in the Falklands then.................... but probably has more medals than the whole UK task Force put together.......
so he wasn't in the Falklands then.................... but probably has more medals than the whole UK task Force put together.......
HH, his is just another opinion in this huge sea. Best we ask "why" and "what lessons" before questioning his medal count. Or are you so certain that there are no downsides to CV STOL/STOVL/S... etc? If there is a debate to be had, rather than simply a complete, unquestioning acceptance of whatever we're given, better to ask the questions than simply to deny.
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First 'shooter' in this video grabs the aircraft tiedown deck fitting
F-35B Lightning II Week 1 Testing
Click thumbnail for big pic: 
F-35B Lightning II Week 1 Testing - YouTube
"Published on Aug 26, 2013
Video of the F-35B Lightning II conducting Development Testing II testing aboard USS Wasp (LHD 1) during week 1 of testing."
Video of the F-35B Lightning II conducting Development Testing II testing aboard USS Wasp (LHD 1) during week 1 of testing."
F-35B Lightning II Week 1 Testing - YouTube
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USS Wasp Captain TEETS on Mods for F-35B Testin'
F-35B Lightning II: From The Deckplate Of USS Wasp 28 Aug 2013
by Capt. Brian Teets | USS Wasp (LHD 1) commanding officer
F-35B Lightning II: From The Deckplate Of USS Wasp - Association of Naval Aviation in Virginia Beach, Virginia - Hampton Roads Squadron
by Capt. Brian Teets | USS Wasp (LHD 1) commanding officer
"USS Wasp (LHD 1) Sailors are supporting testing and validation of the F-35B Lightning II until Aug. 30.The ship’s commanding officer explains how Wasp has prepared for the testing. (NAVY LIVE BLOG 26 AUG 13) Capt. Brian Teets...
...Since Wasp’s designation as the F-35B LHD test platform, she has undergone a series of alterations and training evolutions to support hosting both the first and second underway phases of developmental testing; Development Testing I in October 2011 and now, Development Testing II in August 2013.
During Development Testing II, the F-35B Integrated Test Force is focused on expanding integration of the F-35B with large deck amphibious ships. This testing provides the baseline for the aircraft’s operational test in 2015. In preparation for Development Testing II, Wasp has been modified with special and unique infrastructure to accommodate test equipment, some deck-edge equipment has been moved, and accommodations for monitoring performance and environmental factors were added.
For example, we modified deck markings and lights to include the tramline and short take-off cue, we installed new materials to support thermal loading, and brought aboard temporary facilities to handle charging and storage of Lithium-Ion batteries. In some cases, the modifications not only accommodated F-35B but solved legacy ship-aircraft integration issues associated with the MV-22. For example, the new non-skid solution used for the F-35B is now an option for addressing MV-22 deck heating in operations and maintenance areas. That could be a big win for reducing maintenance time and keeping ships at sea...."
...Since Wasp’s designation as the F-35B LHD test platform, she has undergone a series of alterations and training evolutions to support hosting both the first and second underway phases of developmental testing; Development Testing I in October 2011 and now, Development Testing II in August 2013.
During Development Testing II, the F-35B Integrated Test Force is focused on expanding integration of the F-35B with large deck amphibious ships. This testing provides the baseline for the aircraft’s operational test in 2015. In preparation for Development Testing II, Wasp has been modified with special and unique infrastructure to accommodate test equipment, some deck-edge equipment has been moved, and accommodations for monitoring performance and environmental factors were added.
For example, we modified deck markings and lights to include the tramline and short take-off cue, we installed new materials to support thermal loading, and brought aboard temporary facilities to handle charging and storage of Lithium-Ion batteries. In some cases, the modifications not only accommodated F-35B but solved legacy ship-aircraft integration issues associated with the MV-22. For example, the new non-skid solution used for the F-35B is now an option for addressing MV-22 deck heating in operations and maintenance areas. That could be a big win for reducing maintenance time and keeping ships at sea...."
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In other F-35 news, it was reported this morning that an access panel was opened and the contents there in were fiddled with, upon completion of the fiddling the access panel was successfully closed and no problems were reported. There will now, no doubt, be several hundred links posted to demonstrate just how this procedure proves just how damn fine splendidly the F-35 program is progressing... 
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Over Under Sideways Down
UhOh - backwards landing: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3712/9...0f7f0722_o.jpg
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