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I remember reading the story in the daily mail, its infuriating but reminds me of a recent story placed in the Exeter echo, along the same lines but concerning the Marines. One local boy fell from the thirty foot ropes whilst wearing 32lbs of kit, (full fighting order) and now he and several others, are being led, I mean advised by a lowlife, sorry lawyer and are suing the mod for damages.
First of all, the drop wearing that amount of kit motivated me not to let go of the rope, along with a desire to get through it all, as did all my troop. I firmly believe that when you pick your branch you take your chance, what did he expect a walk in the park, trainings tough and is meant to be.
We can only be glad (like some else has already posted) that people like these, (and there will be many more) are either out or on their way out. You can only imagine their embarrassing behaviour when the brown stuff really hits the fan.
Of course Mrs soon be ex RAF is happy, anybody would be with 200,000 nicker in their back pocket. Good riddens.
First of all, the drop wearing that amount of kit motivated me not to let go of the rope, along with a desire to get through it all, as did all my troop. I firmly believe that when you pick your branch you take your chance, what did he expect a walk in the park, trainings tough and is meant to be.
We can only be glad (like some else has already posted) that people like these, (and there will be many more) are either out or on their way out. You can only imagine their embarrassing behaviour when the brown stuff really hits the fan.
Of course Mrs soon be ex RAF is happy, anybody would be with 200,000 nicker in their back pocket. Good riddens.
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Just a thought, the military have for years been getting away with abusing people and treating them in a very shabby manner, especially in training. The only way to stop this is to sue, not because in it’s self suing is right but because money is all these people understand.
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There seems to be a common thread in all these cases of 'being forced to leave the service early because of..' Everyone seems to assume/state that they are going to get promoted to Wg Cdr/Lt Col etc just because they will do the time. It's hard enough for the rest of us, doing a full career with all the Op tours etc, to reach those heady heights. The chances of promotion are slim but the courts don't seem to accept that the dice are loaded. The only rank you could assume will come with the rations is Sqn Ldr/Maj, but then the lawyers have to get their cut!
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Just another symptom of the world we live in. I hope she can face her troops and tell them that they will live in a shabby barrack block for another few years because she has just scooped the money for being f***ing stupid.
Military training is designed to produce individuals that are mentally and physically tough to cope with operations. Admittedly, some training is tougher that others to suit the requirements of the organization. Things have been off the rails. I started my military career with infantry training at the Rifle Depot in Winchester in the early-80s in the bad old days of bullying. While I would not wish to envisage a return to these regimes, the discipline did produce soldiers that could do what was ordered of them under fire. I think we have just about got in right (with some exceptions). Wingers like these only assist the liberal cause to produce fluffy armed forces that look nice but can't fight there way out of a paper bag.
Though it pains me to say it, this is not the fault of RAF lawyers. MOD Claims use civvy (cheap) lawyers to defend these cases.
Military training is designed to produce individuals that are mentally and physically tough to cope with operations. Admittedly, some training is tougher that others to suit the requirements of the organization. Things have been off the rails. I started my military career with infantry training at the Rifle Depot in Winchester in the early-80s in the bad old days of bullying. While I would not wish to envisage a return to these regimes, the discipline did produce soldiers that could do what was ordered of them under fire. I think we have just about got in right (with some exceptions). Wingers like these only assist the liberal cause to produce fluffy armed forces that look nice but can't fight there way out of a paper bag.
Though it pains me to say it, this is not the fault of RAF lawyers. MOD Claims use civvy (cheap) lawyers to defend these cases.
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She is not actually red of hair, but brunette. Guys, I know moose hunting is in season, but she was, at the time, fit enough to pass the phyz side of things. Believe LMF & a massive shortage of common sense were main failings. Stupid girl - bet a good ND would have cost less & been easier to cover up - the fields round Cranwell are big enough for a few wasters to be lost forever.....
This STILL makes me MAD!!!!
This STILL makes me MAD!!!!
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Well as she doesn't seem to be able to run very far, then we won't have to lead her so much...
Could always make it sporting, say in a Hawk, with the driver blindfolded and the ballast calling distance and windage to the target, I bet she wouldn't have much trouble with her sodding ankle then
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Could always make it sporting, say in a Hawk, with the driver blindfolded and the ballast calling distance and windage to the target, I bet she wouldn't have much trouble with her sodding ankle then
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I wonder whether this individual might consider donating some of her ill-gotten gains to the works servs budget at her current unit - sure could do with it down at the gym, where the changing rooms have holes in the walls and the newly re-opened astro is as uneven and dangerous as ever. Then again, perhaps she's not medically fit enough to use the s*** facilities that are seen across the Service these days.
Does anyone know if the Service is appealing the case? Heard from close source that the only reason she was allowed to grad in the first place was that Daddy threatened to sue if she didn't. Well that's another great decision that's bitten us in the a**e
Does anyone know if the Service is appealing the case? Heard from close source that the only reason she was allowed to grad in the first place was that Daddy threatened to sue if she didn't. Well that's another great decision that's bitten us in the a**e
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How could she win a case like this with so much evidence that she was able to play squash etc. How can she have graduated without completing the course? Have the people in charge become scared of doing anything like making sensible decisions and standing up for priciples which are the bedrock of any organisation worth its salt? Are they too afraid of lawyers? If "their" lawyers are smart, why don't the MOD get smart too, and get some decent lawyers and start fighting back?
Like Capt Kirk on page 2, I knew T and served with him. There's an example of a man who had every reason to sue the organisation but who chose instead to make the most of the opportunity that his situation offered him, and he prospered from it. Having lost your toes to frostbite is extremely serious, and I remember how much he suffered in the cold when we were on exercise in N Norway in the arctic circle, but he didn't complain, and he will have that for the rest of his life.
I really thought this story was a wind up when I started reading it. It would have been a good one too. It is pants, and that woman should be made to do IOT or be given her marching orders.
Like Capt Kirk on page 2, I knew T and served with him. There's an example of a man who had every reason to sue the organisation but who chose instead to make the most of the opportunity that his situation offered him, and he prospered from it. Having lost your toes to frostbite is extremely serious, and I remember how much he suffered in the cold when we were on exercise in N Norway in the arctic circle, but he didn't complain, and he will have that for the rest of his life.
I really thought this story was a wind up when I started reading it. It would have been a good one too. It is pants, and that woman should be made to do IOT or be given her marching orders.
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Since the 200K she is supposed to receive is public money then do the public not have the right to expect an appeal, given all the evidence available to suggest she is pulling a fast one?
The decision to appeal should not be left with the service, (any service), it should be taken by someone who is aware of where the money has to come from and whose job it is to protect that money - am I wrong?
The decision to appeal should not be left with the service, (any service), it should be taken by someone who is aware of where the money has to come from and whose job it is to protect that money - am I wrong?
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I am a latecomer to this thread but I am totally amazed by the claims made by colleagues of this Ms Burns. If only half of the statements turn out to be true, then I too would add my voice to calls for 'appeal'/video referee. Does anyone know of moves being made in this direction?
Also, I would hope that some of those decent peeps who have posted on this thread would volunteer their information to the correct bods at DLS under oath. That erstwhile bastion of 'Laura Norder' must get this one right for the sake of decency and what little honour is left within the Services.
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Isn't it a civil offence to impersonate an Officer of HM Services?
Conversely, there used to be a QR against 'bringing the RAF into disrepute'.
Either way, if an appeal fails, she is guilty of either (or even both) of the above.
I, for one, am ashamed to wear the same colour of uniform as this cadet 'officer'.
Also, I would hope that some of those decent peeps who have posted on this thread would volunteer their information to the correct bods at DLS under oath. That erstwhile bastion of 'Laura Norder' must get this one right for the sake of decency and what little honour is left within the Services.
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Isn't it a civil offence to impersonate an Officer of HM Services?
Conversely, there used to be a QR against 'bringing the RAF into disrepute'.
Either way, if an appeal fails, she is guilty of either (or even both) of the above.
I, for one, am ashamed to wear the same colour of uniform as this cadet 'officer'.
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Memories of 'T'
As 'Reviewing Officer' on practice Grad parade stood up in back of Escort Cabrio weraing Irvine jacket, chip bag and brandishing shield and asegi as he was driven through the ranks.
College WO's face was a picture -
- especially when he saw the skid marks on the Orange
RO's escorts looked good in webbing, miniskirts and 'I attended IOT' t-shirts
College WO's face was a picture -
- especially when he saw the skid marks on the OrangeRO's escorts looked good in webbing, miniskirts and 'I attended IOT' t-shirts
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Perhaps we should start a new thread." Things I did around cranditz and got away with"
how about a grad ball I attended where my graduating pal says "here, hold this a minute" (champagne glass before you start). Minutes later reappears outside the front of CHOM in a red XR3.
Notwithstanding the drink drive angle..........
or what about the Mini in the Rotunda story - true or urban myth?
how about a grad ball I attended where my graduating pal says "here, hold this a minute" (champagne glass before you start). Minutes later reappears outside the front of CHOM in a red XR3.
Notwithstanding the drink drive angle..........
or what about the Mini in the Rotunda story - true or urban myth?
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I too am a late reader of this story and am utterly amazed by this girls stupidity! One response asked how other females in the RAF felt about her actions... Completly gob smacked! I am aware of at least 5 stories involving obviously less significant injuries, such as my own broken pelvis. Did I or the other cadets sue? Of course we bloody well didn't! Getting better, proving we really could complete IOT and earn our commission, teamed with a bit of acceptance that sometimes 'these things happen' and nobody is to blame, all came into play. So we got on with it and were on that Grad parade in our own right.
How can she hold her head up and wear a uniform? Unfortunately, this is an example of the military at its' worst.
Just outof interest, does anybody know where this cadet is pretending to serve at the moment? If so, it would be interesting to post her reaction to reading the responses from the real members of the RAF. Maybe somebody should press the print button and send these pages to her?
How can she hold her head up and wear a uniform? Unfortunately, this is an example of the military at its' worst.
Just outof interest, does anybody know where this cadet is pretending to serve at the moment? If so, it would be interesting to post her reaction to reading the responses from the real members of the RAF. Maybe somebody should press the print button and send these pages to her?
Her lawyer would probably say that constitutes harrassment and lead to another day in court to protest that the nasty, nasty air force wasn't protecting her from her nasty, spiteful colleagues...