OASC 'CANDIDATES' and WANNABES, PLEASE READ THIS THREAD FIRST!
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Civvy to RAF ?
Plenty of RAF/military pilots move across to civvy flying. Is it possible for a civvy pilot at the age of 30ish to get in to RAF ? I realise there's normally a age limit of 23 or so but for a fully qualified and reasonably experienced guy can exceptions be made ?
Sorry to sound so negative but there is a vast difference in moving from military to civvy and moving the other way.
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I ask more out of curiosity than actually wanting to do it.
When I say fully qualified I mean an ATPL. I thought perhaps, due to to reduced training risk, a role for such a person could be offered on mil transport a/c.
I'll continue to daydream then.
When I say fully qualified I mean an ATPL. I thought perhaps, due to to reduced training risk, a role for such a person could be offered on mil transport a/c.
I'll continue to daydream then.
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AAC will take people up to their 29th birthday, but I think you've just missed this one...
Not unknown for people to transfer from AAC to RAF, and go multis on doing so.
Not unknown for people to transfer from AAC to RAF, and go multis on doing so.
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Buzz, well done fella for thinking to fly mil ac. The air force will require you to do the full pilots course full stop.
If you have completed pilot training in another commonwealth (or some other friendly) air force/navy/marine C etc, you will be alllowed to become a RAF pilot without pilot training. You will be required to validate your wings on a RAF UK orientation course of some sort.
......but why???
If you have completed pilot training in another commonwealth (or some other friendly) air force/navy/marine C etc, you will be alllowed to become a RAF pilot without pilot training. You will be required to validate your wings on a RAF UK orientation course of some sort.
......but why???
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There are areas I feel I performed strongly on (group discussion/interview) and areas I definately feel jaded about (individual planning). My fitness scores were as follows:
MSFT: L11.7
Press-ups: 42
Sit-ups: 40
I think that most applicants waiting for the BIG ANSWER feel that in hindsight, there are areas they messed-up and I can only hope that the board take consideration of the stresses placed upon us! lol.
I loved the 4 days overall!!!!!!
My question to Durka is: 'as a successful applicant were there any particular areas that you felt you had performed strongly/weakly upon and why?'
Also, how old are you and have you entered as a graduate?
This leads me to an overall question:
It was my belief that payment at IOT for the lucky few selected was abour 13K/year, however I was informed by members of my OASC team that graduates are paid more during IOT than non-graduates. I know that graduates will likely enter the RAF at a higher rank, thus more money but are these guys correct about differences in pay during IOT?
All the best, Bridge23.
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Bridge23,
I joined as a graduate and was paid more than a non-graduate during IOT. I think this was based on the fact that graduates are paid as Pilot Officers during IOT and non-graduates are paid as Acting Pilot Officers - shouldn't be too much of an issue unless you own a flash car/bike or have a demanding wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband as you only really need beer tokens whilst at the College of Knowledge.
I joined as a graduate and was paid more than a non-graduate during IOT. I think this was based on the fact that graduates are paid as Pilot Officers during IOT and non-graduates are paid as Acting Pilot Officers - shouldn't be too much of an issue unless you own a flash car/bike or have a demanding wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband as you only really need beer tokens whilst at the College of Knowledge.
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I'm prepared to wager a decent amount of money that contractorisation will ensure that a civvy, with no former mil service, is sitting LHS in an RAF AT a/c within fifteen years.
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Scroggs - it's easy enough to do - simply make it a condition of employment that the individual joins the Reserve. I think there are a small number of Met Office posts that are similar to this.
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Scroggs - it's easy enough to do - simply make it a condition of employment that the individual joins the Reserve. I think there are a small number of Met Office posts that are similar to this.
AA. Correct. Sponsored Reserves is what it is. Maybe this is the way that VT could go.
AA. Correct. Sponsored Reserves is what it is. Maybe this is the way that VT could go.
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I know.
Possible, but unlikely for aircrew. All Reservist pilots currently are retired military QSPs.
Scroggs
Scroggs - it's easy enough to do - simply make it a condition of employment that the individual joins the Reserve. I think there are a small number of Met Office posts that are similar to this
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Close, but no cigar
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It’s a shame but AFAIK all of the above is correct. A few years back, I knew a reservist officer who was a 777 1st Officer with several thousand hours, instructed at the Brize flying club and had been a TriStar 1st Officer (again with type rating and 1000hrs+ on type).
Despite earning his reserve commission, being good at his reserve job, and being medically fit and type rated on a current RAF AT type etc etc, he wasn’t allowed to fly Timmies to MPA (or even in the circuit at BZN) without doing an RAF wings course.
Whether this is sensible is for others to judge; as non-aircrew, it seems slightly short sighted if there are jobs (like MPA) which could be valuably done by leveraging existing type ratings of volunteer reservists. But then the use of reservist aircrew seems to have been a bit problematic in recent years (others will know more about the reservist – and ex-regular only – Herc crews who were confined to the Lyneham circuit a few years back…)
Of course, you could join a VGS and fly with them.
S41
It’s a shame but AFAIK all of the above is correct. A few years back, I knew a reservist officer who was a 777 1st Officer with several thousand hours, instructed at the Brize flying club and had been a TriStar 1st Officer (again with type rating and 1000hrs+ on type).
Despite earning his reserve commission, being good at his reserve job, and being medically fit and type rated on a current RAF AT type etc etc, he wasn’t allowed to fly Timmies to MPA (or even in the circuit at BZN) without doing an RAF wings course.
Whether this is sensible is for others to judge; as non-aircrew, it seems slightly short sighted if there are jobs (like MPA) which could be valuably done by leveraging existing type ratings of volunteer reservists. But then the use of reservist aircrew seems to have been a bit problematic in recent years (others will know more about the reservist – and ex-regular only – Herc crews who were confined to the Lyneham circuit a few years back…)
Of course, you could join a VGS and fly with them.
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Arggghhhh OASC results stress
Dear all,
Today I received my letter from OASC saying that they have not yet made a final decision about me and that I am going to be discussed further in a board meeting in December.
The overall rating I received was 'Weakly Recommended for IOT' which to me does not sound encouraging. Has anybody out there had a similar response in the past or had any experience which might shed some light upon whether this is, in all reality, a big fat NO!
Some negatives in the debrief were quite harsh too and although I must accept that the board is undoubtedly correct in their judgement, is there absolutely no means of having your opinion heard by the board which will make the final decision?
Does anybody really understand how these results work, e.g. are the candidates whom are 'Highly recommended' the ones which get a straight acceptance to IOT and those who are 'Moderately or Weakly recommended' the ones who are 'to be decided upon later?'
Bridge23
Today I received my letter from OASC saying that they have not yet made a final decision about me and that I am going to be discussed further in a board meeting in December.
The overall rating I received was 'Weakly Recommended for IOT' which to me does not sound encouraging. Has anybody out there had a similar response in the past or had any experience which might shed some light upon whether this is, in all reality, a big fat NO!
Some negatives in the debrief were quite harsh too and although I must accept that the board is undoubtedly correct in their judgement, is there absolutely no means of having your opinion heard by the board which will make the final decision?
Does anybody really understand how these results work, e.g. are the candidates whom are 'Highly recommended' the ones which get a straight acceptance to IOT and those who are 'Moderately or Weakly recommended' the ones who are 'to be decided upon later?'
Bridge23