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Old 29th Nov 2006, 17:54
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Civvy to RAF ?

Plenty of RAF/military pilots move across to civvy flying. Is it possible for a civvy pilot at the age of 30ish to get in to RAF ? I realise there's normally a age limit of 23 or so but for a fully qualified and reasonably experienced guy can exceptions be made ?
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Old 29th Nov 2006, 18:09
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Originally Posted by buzzc152
but for a fully qualified and reasonably experienced guy can exceptions be made ?
Just define fully qualified. Is that NVG, formation, night low level in a SAM and AA environment. Previous flying experiance would be taken into account, but we prefer to get them young so we can get longer out of them.
Sorry to sound so negative but there is a vast difference in moving from military to civvy and moving the other way.
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Old 29th Nov 2006, 18:12
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...hence I have never heard of it happening. Some would ask, why, if you have a solid civvy flying career, would you want to? What are your qualifications/experience?
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I ask more out of curiosity than actually wanting to do it.

When I say fully qualified I mean an ATPL. I thought perhaps, due to to reduced training risk, a role for such a person could be offered on mil transport a/c.

I'll continue to daydream then.
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Old 29th Nov 2006, 20:23
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AAC will take people up to their 29th birthday, but I think you've just missed this one...

Not unknown for people to transfer from AAC to RAF, and go multis on doing so.
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Congrats chap!
Can safely say I'm thoroughly bloody jealous. Word hard and enjoy.
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Buzz, well done fella for thinking to fly mil ac. The air force will require you to do the full pilots course full stop.


If you have completed pilot training in another commonwealth (or some other friendly) air force/navy/marine C etc, you will be alllowed to become a RAF pilot without pilot training. You will be required to validate your wings on a RAF UK orientation course of some sort.



......but why???
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Old 29th Nov 2006, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Durka_Durka
Walk into the house, big brown envelope on the floor 'On Her Majestys Service'....Oh ****. Buts its ok, pending further medical im goin to IOT as a pilot candidate. WEYHEY
Congratulations on your selection. I have just successfully completed OASC applying for pilot and am one week into the horrible 3 week waiting game.

There are areas I feel I performed strongly on (group discussion/interview) and areas I definately feel jaded about (individual planning). My fitness scores were as follows:

MSFT: L11.7
Press-ups: 42
Sit-ups: 40

I think that most applicants waiting for the BIG ANSWER feel that in hindsight, there are areas they messed-up and I can only hope that the board take consideration of the stresses placed upon us! lol.

I loved the 4 days overall!!!!!!

My question to Durka is: 'as a successful applicant were there any particular areas that you felt you had performed strongly/weakly upon and why?'

Also, how old are you and have you entered as a graduate?

This leads me to an overall question:

It was my belief that payment at IOT for the lucky few selected was abour 13K/year, however I was informed by members of my OASC team that graduates are paid more during IOT than non-graduates. I know that graduates will likely enter the RAF at a higher rank, thus more money but are these guys correct about differences in pay during IOT?

All the best, Bridge23.
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Old 30th Nov 2006, 07:50
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Bridge23,

I joined as a graduate and was paid more than a non-graduate during IOT. I think this was based on the fact that graduates are paid as Pilot Officers during IOT and non-graduates are paid as Acting Pilot Officers - shouldn't be too much of an issue unless you own a flash car/bike or have a demanding wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband as you only really need beer tokens whilst at the College of Knowledge.
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Old 30th Nov 2006, 09:01
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Originally Posted by buzzc152
Is it possible for a civvy pilot at the age of 30ish to get in to RAF ? I realise there's normally a age limit of 23 or so but for a fully qualified and reasonably experienced guy can exceptions be made ?
No. At least, not since WW2.

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Old 30th Nov 2006, 09:28
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I'm prepared to wager a decent amount of money that contractorisation will ensure that a civvy, with no former mil service, is sitting LHS in an RAF AT a/c within fifteen years.
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Originally Posted by airborne_artist
I'm prepared to wager a decent amount of money that contractorisation will ensure that a civvy, with no former mil service, is sitting LHS in an RAF AT a/c within fifteen years.
You may find a civvy flying a civilian-registered RAF AT aircraft on non-operational duties. It has already happened in flying training - and also BA flew much of the Tristar work in its very early RAF days. I very much doubt that civilians can be used in operational roles - but conscription would sort that out!

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Old 30th Nov 2006, 12:01
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Scroggs - it's easy enough to do - simply make it a condition of employment that the individual joins the Reserve. I think there are a small number of Met Office posts that are similar to this.
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Scroggs - it's easy enough to do - simply make it a condition of employment that the individual joins the Reserve. I think there are a small number of Met Office posts that are similar to this.

AA. Correct. Sponsored Reserves is what it is. Maybe this is the way that VT could go.
 
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Originally Posted by Wader2
All the T* flights to FI were RAF manned.
I know.

Scroggs - it's easy enough to do - simply make it a condition of employment that the individual joins the Reserve. I think there are a small number of Met Office posts that are similar to this
Possible, but unlikely for aircrew. All Reservist pilots currently are retired military QSPs.

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Old 30th Nov 2006, 13:55
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Scroggs - wasn't there an AEF CO who only had a civvy background? He was given a Reserve appt. of some sort ISTR.
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Close, but no cigar

152…

It’s a shame but AFAIK all of the above is correct. A few years back, I knew a reservist officer who was a 777 1st Officer with several thousand hours, instructed at the Brize flying club and had been a TriStar 1st Officer (again with type rating and 1000hrs+ on type).

Despite earning his reserve commission, being good at his reserve job, and being medically fit and type rated on a current RAF AT type etc etc, he wasn’t allowed to fly Timmies to MPA (or even in the circuit at BZN) without doing an RAF wings course.

Whether this is sensible is for others to judge; as non-aircrew, it seems slightly short sighted if there are jobs (like MPA) which could be valuably done by leveraging existing type ratings of volunteer reservists. But then the use of reservist aircrew seems to have been a bit problematic in recent years (others will know more about the reservist – and ex-regular only – Herc crews who were confined to the Lyneham circuit a few years back…)

Of course, you could join a VGS and fly with them.

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Old 30th Nov 2006, 19:00
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You wanna fly our hardwear ?

Not before you hump a load of pine poles and ammo boxes around a training ground first !!!
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Old 30th Nov 2006, 19:27
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Wasn't there a set of Bristows Wings up behind the bar at Valley? Some ex-civ (H) chap who joined the RAF...must have started Bristows sponsorship scheme in his teens....
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Arggghhhh OASC results stress

Dear all,

Today I received my letter from OASC saying that they have not yet made a final decision about me and that I am going to be discussed further in a board meeting in December.

The overall rating I received was 'Weakly Recommended for IOT' which to me does not sound encouraging. Has anybody out there had a similar response in the past or had any experience which might shed some light upon whether this is, in all reality, a big fat NO!

Some negatives in the debrief were quite harsh too and although I must accept that the board is undoubtedly correct in their judgement, is there absolutely no means of having your opinion heard by the board which will make the final decision?

Does anybody really understand how these results work, e.g. are the candidates whom are 'Highly recommended' the ones which get a straight acceptance to IOT and those who are 'Moderately or Weakly recommended' the ones who are 'to be decided upon later?'

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