airborne_artist

A quality attempt at a wind-up, but you'll find in real life that the FAA is not taking anyone with a pilot aptitude score of less than 130, whereas the light blue will take them down to the pass mark of 112.

airborne_artist

Nice one, but total bolleaux. The AAC pass mark is lower than the RAF/FAA mark, but the tests are identical. Let's not confuse our younger and more gullible readers.

Futurnav

Afternoon,

I am nearly starting my GCSE's(2 months exactly) and my predicted grades are as followed

Maths - A* - C
English Lit and Lang - B/C
Sciences - Double award - C
Geography - C
History - C
French - C
Statistics - C
I.C.T - C
R.E - D
In my spare time i help out at my local Flying club, Volenteer work at my local Aviation Museum and Air Cadets - 3 years and have nearly clocked up 6 hours in the Grob Tutor.
Im hoping to also complete my Gliding scholorship and Air Cadet Navigation Course this year.
Im hoping as many of you can guess by the name, to join the R.A.F in about 4 years or more - A levels and University - as a Navigator/ Weapon Systems Officer.
I had a recent eyesight examination and i was told my left eye was 6/5 and my right eye was 6/7.
Im so determined to become aircrew, but was just wondering on your advice - can i stand a chance firstly on Eye sight and the Job itself?

Many thanks for your time

Nathan

Fg Off Max Stout

Before you get torn apart by people who have answered almost identical questions more times than they can remember, try to plough through the 'sticky' post at the top of the page. Almost every conceivable question will be answered therein.

Good luck, but I believe you will have to change your username to FutureWSO.

airborne_artist

RAFEmployee

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=144 Thought this was a good website.

Stay with the ATC, they're starting to recruit more people who have been in the ATC more now as they seem to be "better".

Good luck with the exams

nick0021

1.4G ... I think you will find my dear friend, that pilots in the FAA are required to pass both Observer (WSO) aptitude, as well as pilot, whereas RAF pilots only need to pass pilot (standards). If you don't like a challenge, like an easy life and big curly moustache's, then join the RAF.

Pontius Navigator

Nothing like a bit of disinformation. As the Typhoon is designed as a single-seat weapons system it follows it needs a WSO capability in its operator. The RAF is therefore looking for good P and N scores.

As for the WSO/WSOp/Nav issue. Nothing like making it clear to Wanabees and Joe Public. Why we even muddy it further with the various shades if WSOp and NCA etc.

airborne_artist

You are 15 months out of date. On 01 Nov 06 the FAA introduced specific tests for P, O and ATC. The new P test does test for O-type skills, but there is no need to pass for both P and O to proceed to AIB.

airborne_artist

itsallhappeningagain - who has just passed AIB, and greased FATs a few weeks back.

Airborne (for he is a member of the band of brothers) is the only way

itsallhappeningagain

Cheers! It sure is!

Vulcan607

Hi there,

Has anyone ever joined the RAF with a CPL and instrument rating before they went into service?

I'd love to be in the RAF, only 21 years old but have PPL and ATPL theory behind me - would this hinder an application to become a pilot?

Regards

Hangar_9

I'll tell you quickly before they all jump down your throat, but take this topic upstairs aka the "wanabee" thread asap

Runaway Gun

It can't hurt. And it proves that you can honestly say that you KNOW you want to be a pilot.

It can hurt, if you display the negative attitude that you already know mostly everything about aviation.

Obviously there are many more hoops to jump through to get onto your Military Wings course, but remember that your flying experience counts for bugger all when it comes to military aviation - so be willing to display that eager attitude.

Best of luck

Dan Winterland

It's been done before, several times. How you approach it makes all the difference. Three examples I can quote from personal experience.

One guy kept his previous experience quiet. No one knew he had 500 hours during to the course, he only came clean on graduating. Interestingly, his experience didn't show and he was the first to admit that it didn't help much with the exception of instrument flying.

Another guy was an experienced helicopter pilot before RAF flying training. He was a star and went on to fly fast jets despite the RAF thinking his experience would make him want to fly military helicopters. He was there to learn new skills and was humble.

The third guy was an instructor with quite a lot of experience, let everyone know and frequently took it on himself to tell his instructors how they could improve their instructional technique! We had to stop him briefing his coursemates with his own techniques - which he knew were better! He was a complete pain in the @rse and all the instructors hated flying wih him. With his attitude, he was lucky to get through especially that wasn't even that good as a pilot!

It's not a barrier and how you approach it is up to you. But I would suggest the second guy's approach as being the most successful.

Wiley

We had a bloke on my pilot's course with a CPL and 500 hours, much of it on twins (and a couple of others with PPLs and varying amounts of time). The CPL guy, (a very nice guy, BTW, and a little older and much more mature than most of us), mentioned it, but didn't make a big deal of it. It certainly helped him in the early stages, (he was one of the first to go solo), but he didn't make it through to the jet stage. I can't remember where he tripped up. I think it was the IRT, but am not certain, even though he had a civilian instrument rating.

My advice would be to follow Dan Winterland's example # 1, and if you don't take it quite to that extreme, imagine yourself as your coursemates' and your instructors' sexual advisor in all things you learned about flying before starting your RAF training: ("If I want your f***ing advice, I'll ask for it!").

You previous experience will be both invaluable and a hindrance.

Invaluable in that, particularly in the early stages, everything won't be totally new to you and you'll know that you can do things already that your coursemates will have to prove to themselves they can do for the first time. (Although I suspect that as the course progresses, any advantage you feel you had will fade to almost nothing.)

A hindrance in that you'll have to "unlearn" some habits, which can be quite difficult. These habits will not necessarily be bad habits, it's just that the military likes its cats skinned in a certain and isn't always amenable to being shown that there's another way.

airborne_artist

I had an RAF Flying Scholarship (30 hours) and about another twenty hours on top (PPL was only 35 then) when I joined.

Where you should score, and thus be able to relax, is on airmanship. Once you are passed about 30 hours you may find that the advantage starts to wear off though, and that the ability to handle the aircraft becomes more important. All of the guys chopped on my RN EFT went at/before 40 hours.

Your fATPL won't have included any aeros, for example, any LL nav, or any formation work.

As others have said, there's the RAF/CFS way, and no other way. Don't attempt a discussion on the matter unless you are a born diplomat. Despite your experience, I'm willing to bet that by the end of EFT you'll have a very healthy respect for your course-mates, several of whom will be gifted, natural pilots, and perhaps better than you

gregy89

hey i've got my initial interview at the careers place on the 29th of this month and i was wandering if anyone could help give me a little info, i no the general topic of questions they are going to ask, but i was wandering if there are any questions i should watch out for or might not b prepared for? plus do the current affairs both UK and international based do they have to be military related? and how many roughly of each?

AlJH

Standby fella. Incoming!!!

gregy89

sorry i didnt state what job i was going for - WSOP