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The Argies military wasn't that great in 1982, a C130 'bomber', second hand warships etc, but they pulled one over on the Brits despite such substandard equipments.
So how many times would a Tornado need to be in-flight refuelled to make it Ascension-FI-Ascension, what reconnaisance aircraft would the Brit military use?
So a handful of aircraft in Mount Pleasant is going to thwart any invasion that may be planned?
So how many times would a Tornado need to be in-flight refuelled to make it Ascension-FI-Ascension, what reconnaisance aircraft would the Brit military use?
So a handful of aircraft in Mount Pleasant is going to thwart any invasion that may be planned?
Argentine Navy no match for RN subs, as proved the last time. No Maritime ops.
I see no credible threat to the FI from Argentina, so long as we retain these assets.
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Definitely 201 Sqn though.
We operated to the east of the 201 crew.
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"I see no credible threat to the FI from Argentina, so long as we retain these assets"
And therein lies the rub.
I wish I could share your confidence, but I cannot. I do not think it would be as difficult for Argentina to launch a credible attack on the Islands as you. Particularly if they have any kind of "external" assistance.
We just have to hope that in the meantime, if they do get up to anything that we manage to smell it coming first during the preparation stages. If we do not, or if there is an intelligence "failure" (as was with 9/11). there is going to be an awful lot of les ouefs sur les bonce, so to speak.
Not sure thats the kind of "hope" I'd like to sell to the islanders, but...
And therein lies the rub.
I wish I could share your confidence, but I cannot. I do not think it would be as difficult for Argentina to launch a credible attack on the Islands as you. Particularly if they have any kind of "external" assistance.
We just have to hope that in the meantime, if they do get up to anything that we manage to smell it coming first during the preparation stages. If we do not, or if there is an intelligence "failure" (as was with 9/11). there is going to be an awful lot of les ouefs sur les bonce, so to speak.
Not sure thats the kind of "hope" I'd like to sell to the islanders, but...
Tappers Dad,
There are "big meetings" at virtually every RAF base tomorrow afternoon - an attempt to brief the troops by the system rather than from the BBC news and the cleaner.
The fact that there is a briefing at Kinloss is not in itself indictative...
There are "big meetings" at virtually every RAF base tomorrow afternoon - an attempt to brief the troops by the system rather than from the BBC news and the cleaner.
The fact that there is a briefing at Kinloss is not in itself indictative...
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Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Military Operations | HMS Manchester catches Caribbean drug runners
Well done Manchester!............
without the MPA they would not find it, without the Ship they would not catch it, you need both to be effective 
The Royal Navy warship HMS Manchester stalked a trio of drug traffickers through the Caribbean night and literally caught them napping!
The operation began when a US maritime patrol aircraft spotted the suspicious-looking fishing vessel in daylight in the Colombian Basin, an area of the Caribbean bounded to the south by Colombia and to the south west by Panama. The aircraft alerted HMS Manchester which at the time was 80 miles (130km) to the west.
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Joe,
Even if the great unwashed knew how important the mighty hunter is to the defence of the nation, how do you suppose they would make the bean counters take any notice?
AP
Even if the great unwashed knew how important the mighty hunter is to the defence of the nation, how do you suppose they would make the bean counters take any notice?
AP
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Big meeting at Kinloss tomorrow !
Also at Army bases and Navy Establishments and ships around the globe.
If any one trips on the way to the meeting or falls off there seat and bumps there head or God forbid faints with shock, rest assured only TD will mention it if it involves ISK.
Also at Army bases and Navy Establishments and ships around the globe.
If any one trips on the way to the meeting or falls off there seat and bumps there head or God forbid faints with shock, rest assured only TD will mention it if it involves ISK.
Jabba,
I presume with "external" assistance you are hinting at Venezuela under Chavez? A scenario that the US would likely use to put Chavez back in his box?
The Argentines simply couldn't assemble an invasion force in secret under the current Argentine civilian government. This isn't 1982 Argentina under a military junta! It would take investment and time for Argentina to assemble such an invasion Task Force. It would be political suicide for any civilian Argentine government to even consider such a venture. There are far too many trigger factors against Argentina that would only result in MPA being re-enforced.
Argentine forces are starved of funding. It would take massive investment and training in order to get Argentine forces prepared for a re-invasion. It would't just be the UK monitoring Argentine forces, but also Chile. For Argentine forces to train and mobilise for such a venture would have to be carried out under large scale military exercises and that wouldn't go un-noticed. A large proportion of their fighter and fighter-bomber fleet is in storage due to funding restrictions.
The Argentines would be reliant on the Falklands airfields for re-supply as their Navy would be, as per 1982, restricted to territorial waters. They still have no solution to RN SSNs. Even if the Argentines re-invaded with Venezuelan assistance it would be the easiest UN enforcement action to stop Argentine/Venezuelan agression with the destruction of the airfields on the Falklands. It would be a simple job for B-2 Spirits under UN mandate to render the airfields on the islands unusable. Unable to re-supply by sea or air all the Argentines/Venezuelans would have done is imprisoned themselves on the Islands.
No Argentine civilian government is going to take Argentina down that path again. It would take a military coup and extensive military preparation in order for such a venture to be even considered. I agree with Roadster on the threat.
TJ
I presume with "external" assistance you are hinting at Venezuela under Chavez? A scenario that the US would likely use to put Chavez back in his box?
The Argentines simply couldn't assemble an invasion force in secret under the current Argentine civilian government. This isn't 1982 Argentina under a military junta! It would take investment and time for Argentina to assemble such an invasion Task Force. It would be political suicide for any civilian Argentine government to even consider such a venture. There are far too many trigger factors against Argentina that would only result in MPA being re-enforced.
Argentine forces are starved of funding. It would take massive investment and training in order to get Argentine forces prepared for a re-invasion. It would't just be the UK monitoring Argentine forces, but also Chile. For Argentine forces to train and mobilise for such a venture would have to be carried out under large scale military exercises and that wouldn't go un-noticed. A large proportion of their fighter and fighter-bomber fleet is in storage due to funding restrictions.
The Argentines would be reliant on the Falklands airfields for re-supply as their Navy would be, as per 1982, restricted to territorial waters. They still have no solution to RN SSNs. Even if the Argentines re-invaded with Venezuelan assistance it would be the easiest UN enforcement action to stop Argentine/Venezuelan agression with the destruction of the airfields on the Falklands. It would be a simple job for B-2 Spirits under UN mandate to render the airfields on the islands unusable. Unable to re-supply by sea or air all the Argentines/Venezuelans would have done is imprisoned themselves on the Islands.
No Argentine civilian government is going to take Argentina down that path again. It would take a military coup and extensive military preparation in order for such a venture to be even considered. I agree with Roadster on the threat.
TJ
Fafner,
I'm sure TD can fight his own corner.......however.
Was your son killed in an aircraft that was unsafe largely due to negligence and incompetence on behalf of the MOD and the constructor?
If you can say yes to the question then:
a) You have my sympathy
b) You have the right to criticise TD.
If the answer to the question is no, then in my personal opinion you should STFU!
P.S. - It's also "their" not "there" as used in your last post.....
I'm sure TD can fight his own corner.......however.
Was your son killed in an aircraft that was unsafe largely due to negligence and incompetence on behalf of the MOD and the constructor?
If you can say yes to the question then:
a) You have my sympathy
b) You have the right to criticise TD.
If the answer to the question is no, then in my personal opinion you should STFU!
P.S. - It's also "their" not "there" as used in your last post.....
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Biggus,
Much as i hate to butt in but.....
This is an MRA4 thread, Tapper died on an MR2 so his dad has no reason to be in here and hijacking threads, that aside, fafner didnt need the bollocking.
And please, refrain from spouting that the MR2 crash was a consequence of neglect by the MOD, i work for the MOD and i take umbridge at that remark. I was groundcrew on the glorious MR2, i flew as groundcrew and was an AGE to the end, i was never negligent and knew of no one that was. After the HC report it was the safest aircraft that (largely because of political cowardice) was never allowd to fly again. so (in your words ) STFU !!!
I have respect for tappers dad before you jump in my box, however its the past and the NIMROD MRA4 doesnt need constant reminding of its history (at least on this point) so please refrain from bollocking peeps for having the audacity to speak freely in a free world. In my humble PERSONAL opinion.
I await your sarcasm forthwith... xxxxx
Much as i hate to butt in but.....
This is an MRA4 thread, Tapper died on an MR2 so his dad has no reason to be in here and hijacking threads, that aside, fafner didnt need the bollocking.
And please, refrain from spouting that the MR2 crash was a consequence of neglect by the MOD, i work for the MOD and i take umbridge at that remark. I was groundcrew on the glorious MR2, i flew as groundcrew and was an AGE to the end, i was never negligent and knew of no one that was. After the HC report it was the safest aircraft that (largely because of political cowardice) was never allowd to fly again. so (in your words ) STFU !!!
I have respect for tappers dad before you jump in my box, however its the past and the NIMROD MRA4 doesnt need constant reminding of its history (at least on this point) so please refrain from bollocking peeps for having the audacity to speak freely in a free world. In my humble PERSONAL opinion.
I await your sarcasm forthwith... xxxxx
Whatever your thoughts on TD's contributions (and let's face it, there are many far more provocative and irrelevant posts on this site), noone covers themselves in glory by having a go at him. And frankly, the precarious state of the MRA4 programme is in large part due to what happened, fairly recently, to the MR2.
Errr, isn't this what Biggus was doing? Because it looks awfully like he's getting a bollocking from you...
please refrain from bollocking peeps for having the audacity to speak freely in a free world
