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Here's some potential for a right larf.....
A wrinkly old Warrant at manning decides to look up various service sources and trawls pprune messages to identify Tourist and Mad Mark.
On the forthcoming cancellation of Nimrod and ALL SAR assets coming under the control of the new combined RN/HMCG, the wrinkly puts them both on the same squadron.
How funy would that be?
A wrinkly old Warrant at manning decides to look up various service sources and trawls pprune messages to identify Tourist and Mad Mark.
On the forthcoming cancellation of Nimrod and ALL SAR assets coming under the control of the new combined RN/HMCG, the wrinkly puts them both on the same squadron.
How funy would that be?
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getsome
You are not listening.
I will say it again.
I am not saying that we would not like to keep Nimrod.
My issue was with Joe's silly statement which is totally unjustifiable
You are not listening.
I will say it again.
I am not saying that we would not like to keep Nimrod.
My issue was with Joe's silly statement which is totally unjustifiable
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AirPolice, trust me, that wont happen 
Just because I defend a particular type now does not indicate that I am still on said fleet, or even still taking the Queens shilling
MadMark!!!
Just because I defend a particular type now does not indicate that I am still on said fleet, or even still taking the Queens shillingMadMark!!!
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Tourist, where did I mention Nimrod and FAC in the same sentence???
I was talking about FAC in general, and I do see a FAC (ground based or otherwise) as an ASSET that IS a part of CAS.
I suppose you are the sort that feels that the chefs, suppliers, adminers, etc, have no part to play in flying? About time you accepted that all assets are a part of the team... 'For want of a nail' and all that!
Anyway, I realise that you are a total troll, so this is the end of this tit-for-tat from me.
MadMark!!!
I was talking about FAC in general, and I do see a FAC (ground based or otherwise) as an ASSET that IS a part of CAS.
I suppose you are the sort that feels that the chefs, suppliers, adminers, etc, have no part to play in flying? About time you accepted that all assets are a part of the team... 'For want of a nail' and all that!
Anyway, I realise that you are a total troll, so this is the end of this tit-for-tat from me.
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How many people have been "rescued" by a dingy dropped from a Nimrod, that would otherwise have perished had they not had that store?
How many people have been "rescued" due to being spotted by Nimrods after falling overboard?
Definition of SAR?
Search and rescue (SAR) is the search for and provision of aid to people who are in distress or imminent danger.
I think the Nimrod force did that on countless occasions...
If Nimrods never did SAR, I want all that time back I spent in the mess on standby...
How many people have been "rescued" due to being spotted by Nimrods after falling overboard?
Definition of SAR?
Search and rescue (SAR) is the search for and provision of aid to people who are in distress or imminent danger.
I think the Nimrod force did that on countless occasions...
If Nimrods never did SAR, I want all that time back I spent in the mess on standby...
Getsome
I agree, dropping a dinghy pack to someone in the sea is going to "rescue" them from certain death from hypothermia - as long as they can get in the dinghy! Then vectoring a vessel to pick them up later will also "rescue" them.
No helicopters required...
LJ
I agree, dropping a dinghy pack to someone in the sea is going to "rescue" them from certain death from hypothermia - as long as they can get in the dinghy! Then vectoring a vessel to pick them up later will also "rescue" them.
No helicopters required...
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but the thought of having no "real" ASW/MCT/ASuW/SAR capability completely bamboozles me
My issue was with Joe's silly statement which is totally unjustifiable
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That's exactly the viewpoint/opinion that worries me............lets agree to disagree. 
I hope I have not come across as anti Merlin because that is certainly not the case - excellent aircraft, very good at ASW, but limited in comparison to MPA.
I hope I have not come across as anti Merlin because that is certainly not the case - excellent aircraft, very good at ASW, but limited in comparison to MPA.
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Regarding the MM/Tourist difference of opinion, like so many tasks 'SAR' is teamwork and, more often than not, involves more than one person, one unit, to achieve the end result.
If Nimrod's are not involved in 'rescue' then neither are the coastguards that sit in their coordination centres launching lifeboats etc, indeed neither would SAR helicopter pilots be considered 'rescue', they're merely the drivers that deliver the 'rescue' personnel to the scene of incident!
If Nimrod's are not involved in 'rescue' then neither are the coastguards that sit in their coordination centres launching lifeboats etc, indeed neither would SAR helicopter pilots be considered 'rescue', they're merely the drivers that deliver the 'rescue' personnel to the scene of incident!
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Joe
Don't try to turn this thing around.
You made a statement about other assets not being "really" capable of performing roles that the Nimrod is involved in.
You were not being inclusive and huggy then, so its a bit cheap to join the lets all be friends and admit that we need each other now club.
Don't try to turn this thing around.
You made a statement about other assets not being "really" capable of performing roles that the Nimrod is involved in.
You were not being inclusive and huggy then, so its a bit cheap to join the lets all be friends and admit that we need each other now club.
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L-J:
I'm certain there have been a fair few trails conducted since the demise of the MR2......
As a fast jet mate I can tell you that "no Nimrod" meant no tanker trail - helicopters or no helicopters!
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Our presence on trails tailed off when money to pay for our participation and scarcity of frames became an issue...From meeting and briefing the trail in Goose or similar pushing them across the pond it degraded down to us positioning ourselves in the Azores then when the trail departed the Eastern seaboard we would sit onboard with a couple of engines at least turning until the trail was happy to turn us off. Then it degraded further as the beancounters appetite for risk grew in relation to the potential savings to be made to the point that we just brought a crew into the mess at ISK and sat them on RS30 again until the trail were far enough across to call 'happy'.
Many a debate was had by the crew of the survival prospects of a Harrier mate who'd had the bad luck to lose his donk at 30W and would have to wait at least 3-4 hours to get to him, then find him in his rubber bathtub, drop him something a bit more comfortable, possibly find he was too cold by this time to transfer himself across etc etc...We were just lucky that during this period no incidents occurred.
Many a debate was had by the crew of the survival prospects of a Harrier mate who'd had the bad luck to lose his donk at 30W and would have to wait at least 3-4 hours to get to him, then find him in his rubber bathtub, drop him something a bit more comfortable, possibly find he was too cold by this time to transfer himself across etc etc...We were just lucky that during this period no incidents occurred.
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More trouble for the Mighty Hunter:
RAF grounds new Nimrods as safety fears hit £3.6bn project - Telegraph
RAF grounds new Nimrods as safety fears hit £3.6bn project - Telegraph
how many more people died since the Nimrod has not been flying
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Not long before the Fastnet race disaster a similar question was asked. The Nimrod carried 2 ASR and 2 sets of dinghy pairs. The kit was becoming life-ex and considerable savings would accrue if the load were reduced.
"how many times have . . . "
The answer of course was about zero. Within days Norman Tench had cleared his bombay dropping dinghies hither and thither to all the distress yachts.
A similar question arises with road safety and only after a number of deaths is something done. Do you take the risk?
Another Nimrod load was CLE - Containers Land Equipment. Like dinghies, on inventory, never used for many a year. Come HMQ's visit to Africa I ordered up two loads of CLE for the 2 Nimrods - turned out there was only one set in the whole RAF. The insurance policy had expired and no one renewed it. Imagine the headlines.
"how many times have . . . "
The answer of course was about zero. Within days Norman Tench had cleared his bombay dropping dinghies hither and thither to all the distress yachts.
A similar question arises with road safety and only after a number of deaths is something done. Do you take the risk?
Another Nimrod load was CLE - Containers Land Equipment. Like dinghies, on inventory, never used for many a year. Come HMQ's visit to Africa I ordered up two loads of CLE for the 2 Nimrods - turned out there was only one set in the whole RAF. The insurance policy had expired and no one renewed it. Imagine the headlines.