More Tristar problems?
Now, I don't ever recall an Air Despatcher hitting an a/c with a vehicle etc. This could be down to a couple of reasons:
1. They use the half chock method whenever they have a vehicle near an a/c, which is very safe and prevents this unnecessary damage occuring.
2. The 252 action and discipline on the unit was/is much more robust than the RAF. Soldiers usually have the balls to discipline people when incidents happen, something that seems to be sadly lacking in the RAF!
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1. They use the half chock method whenever they have a vehicle near an a/c, which is very safe and prevents this unnecessary damage occuring.
2. The 252 action and discipline on the unit was/is much more robust than the RAF. Soldiers usually have the balls to discipline people when incidents happen, something that seems to be sadly lacking in the RAF!
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I thnk there is a big difference between a mistake and incompetence / negligence.
Getting something difficult wrong is usually a mistake, getting something simple wrong is usually negligence or incompetence.
Personally, I'd class flying a plane as difficult, and moving steps as simple, but that's just me...
Getting something difficult wrong is usually a mistake, getting something simple wrong is usually negligence or incompetence.
Personally, I'd class flying a plane as difficult, and moving steps as simple, but that's just me...
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Glad to see that this thread has developed into another techies vs movers vs aircrew slanging match
The important thing to take away is that irrespective of trade we are all suffering from under manning. Working hours have increased to support ops with aircraft that are becoming increasingly tired.
Our most important asset, airmen and women, are being asked to do far too much with little or no training or supervision.
I for one feel that the airbridge is a sterling effort, given the antiquated airframes and lack of support personnel.
Rather than slagging each other off we should be supporting and assiting our comrades. I have worked with a very small bunch of specialist movers over the last 5 years and through their hard work and commitment I have been able to achieve effective operational output
If the Tristars are suffering we will have to find other ways and means to continue the airbridge - and that will mean people actually maintaing professional courtesy and supporting the hard-pressed AT fleet and it's support staff in the UK and overseas.
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The important thing to take away is that irrespective of trade we are all suffering from under manning. Working hours have increased to support ops with aircraft that are becoming increasingly tired.
Our most important asset, airmen and women, are being asked to do far too much with little or no training or supervision.
I for one feel that the airbridge is a sterling effort, given the antiquated airframes and lack of support personnel.
Rather than slagging each other off we should be supporting and assiting our comrades. I have worked with a very small bunch of specialist movers over the last 5 years and through their hard work and commitment I have been able to achieve effective operational output
If the Tristars are suffering we will have to find other ways and means to continue the airbridge - and that will mean people actually maintaing professional courtesy and supporting the hard-pressed AT fleet and it's support staff in the UK and overseas.
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I don't think the problem was actually hitting the aircraft, an unfortunate accident, but then denying that you'd done it! A totally different and inexcusable issue.
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Hitting aircraft isnt a modern problem. I remember one of 43's Grey FG1's being hit in the nose by a FLM in a towing tractor, on a bright sunny day.
He didnt see it.
Bloody good camouflage
He didnt see it.
Bloody good camouflage
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Anyone else remember the FLM on 55 SQN putting the tractor through the underwing tank on a Victor, that splash was on par with the Dambusters
Or the MEAS fitter taking the tug to the mess one night, forgetting he had a GR1 on the back.
Trouble is, this type of thing has always happened, and always will. The risk can be reduced but in doing so the risk will change.
Back to the topic, Any one know more about the cracks?
Or the MEAS fitter taking the tug to the mess one night, forgetting he had a GR1 on the back.
Trouble is, this type of thing has always happened, and always will. The risk can be reduced but in doing so the risk will change.
Back to the topic, Any one know more about the cracks?
cessnapete, I was thinking about a certain night stop in 1986......
The BA TriStar crew were very good company. Ooooh, yes...
The BA TriStar crew were very good company. Ooooh, yes...
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I'm shocked. 'Knowledgable' people such as yourself usually use Wikipedia rather than Google searches.
Off you trot son.
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I don't think the problem was actually hitting the aircraft, an unfortunate accident, but then denying that you'd done it! A totally different and inexcusable issue.
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Are you really implying that this was a deliberate act? .................get a life you KJ....no one said it was deliberate, I am trying to imply that mistakes should not happen like that.
You know that you are driving a tractor and attached to the back of the tractor is a set of steps about 18 feet high!! ( T* door sill 15 feet..)
So therefore if you are towing a high load you DONT drive under a wing....
Basics really
You know that you are driving a tractor and attached to the back of the tractor is a set of steps about 18 feet high!! ( T* door sill 15 feet..)
So therefore if you are towing a high load you DONT drive under a wing....
Basics really
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In my time on Tristars I can remember an incident at Brize, I had done my walk round and also had the AE.
The movers and ASMT were still loading the rear cargo hold, After the door was closed I done my normal walk round only to see a Trepple handrail shape dent in the boat fairing..
Of course everyone involved denied it was them and even tried to say it was already there.
The Trepple driver fled to ASMT leaving the Trepple behind!!
Did anything happen? NO just brushed away again ....apart from the guys in Basra who wanted to get home...Sortie scrubbed.
The movers and ASMT were still loading the rear cargo hold, After the door was closed I done my normal walk round only to see a Trepple handrail shape dent in the boat fairing..
Of course everyone involved denied it was them and even tried to say it was already there.
The Trepple driver fled to ASMT leaving the Trepple behind!!
Did anything happen? NO just brushed away again ....apart from the guys in Basra who wanted to get home...Sortie scrubbed.
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Sounds like you need to get your heirachy to talk to "Wee Willie" at "Big Airways",as we are about to stand down up to 6x747-400s on a daily basis over the winter period due lack of punters!! Having helped out in the past with 747s to Ascension,i,m sure BA would only be too willing to get a bit of extra revenue generated!!
On a second point,why does it seem to take forever for the RAF to get mods done to thier aircraft. If my memory serves me well,it took almost a year for each VC10 to be converted to a tanker....almost a similar amount of time for the Tristars and now it seems that the avionics upgrade to that fleet will take a similar length of time!.
Contrast that with the commercial world where "time on the ground=money lost"....so all i can assume is that your MRO in all of these projects,seems to take you for all it's worth once they have the contract signed and sealed. Would that be a fair assumption??
On a second point,why does it seem to take forever for the RAF to get mods done to thier aircraft. If my memory serves me well,it took almost a year for each VC10 to be converted to a tanker....almost a similar amount of time for the Tristars and now it seems that the avionics upgrade to that fleet will take a similar length of time!.
Contrast that with the commercial world where "time on the ground=money lost"....so all i can assume is that your MRO in all of these projects,seems to take you for all it's worth once they have the contract signed and sealed. Would that be a fair assumption??
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We can't afford to pay for decent companies to upgrade our aircraft, and most won't touch MOD because the profit margin is so low and we change our management every two years so projects get delayed, changed and generally screwed about with.
Plus time on the ground costs us less - no fuel to pay for, no in flight rations to pay for, no landing fees to pay for, no hours accrued on the frames!
Plus time on the ground costs us less - no fuel to pay for, no in flight rations to pay for, no landing fees to pay for, no hours accrued on the frames!
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Having read the posts on this thread (some cringing, some laughing), these are my conclusions:-
1. The AT fleet has been stretched close to distortion this decade.
2. Groundcrew manning and experience levels (techie/movers) are close to dangerous.
3. Even though we were told there is an open purse for whatever is needed, it does not exsist.
4. Movers will always prang aircraft for whatever reasons. They are one of many trades in the forces that have rules and regs yet still it goes wrong every so often.
5. You should stick to the thread
Have a nice day.....missin you already!
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1. The AT fleet has been stretched close to distortion this decade.
2. Groundcrew manning and experience levels (techie/movers) are close to dangerous.
3. Even though we were told there is an open purse for whatever is needed, it does not exsist.
4. Movers will always prang aircraft for whatever reasons. They are one of many trades in the forces that have rules and regs yet still it goes wrong every so often.
5. You should stick to the thread
Have a nice day.....missin you already!
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An incident is one thing, lying is another.
If - and I repeat if this is true, then bolleaux, hanging by, yardarms from, is clearly the order of the day.
All those who lie, cheat or steal should be shot. Period.
If - and I repeat if this is true, then bolleaux, hanging by, yardarms from, is clearly the order of the day.
All those who lie, cheat or steal should be shot. Period.