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RAAF Flight Screening Programme

Old 17th Sep 2017, 04:49
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Originally Posted by Dilmah G View Post
Ladies and gents,

Does anyone know the current visual standards for aircrew? Specifically, what the pre-op limit for any kind of [email protected]er eye surgery is?

Was tracking -7, but have recently read -3 for aircrew in light of a recent change and would like to confirm.
Upon successful completion of the assessment day, you will be booked in to see an opthamologist. Only then will you know where you stand. If you're given a job offer for an aircrew position they will pay for [email protected] eye surgery. Just don't do any surgery beforehand, there are some types they will not accept.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 04:53
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They'll pay for [email protected] eye surgery? That's news to me. I'm in service and wanted to see if I could get some certainty before getting on AVMED's radar.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 06:09
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Originally Posted by Dilmah G View Post
They'll pay for [email protected] eye surgery? That's news to me. I'm in service and wanted to see if I could get some certainty before getting on AVMED's radar.
Well, atleast that's what the doctor at DFR told me. It all depends on the condition of your eyes. My left eye is perfect vision, my right is a little worse. They told me, if I get the job, that either my eyes will be fine, I might need glasses or I might require [email protected] eye surgery. They did however say that this would not be at my expense. They also erged me not to go and get [email protected] eye surgery myself as some types of surgery are not accepted. Perhaps it's all different for in-service applicants though
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 01:54
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Another update on FSP. Was on the phone this morning to BAE Systems, and apparently all DEO slots have now been filled for this year's remaining FSPs. All those remaining in the pool, me included, will likely be transferred to the new system as priority candidates, and should all expect a call-up to attend a flight screening course with the new system from next year. Letters will be coming out to all those affected in the coming weeks, and will provide further updates on the situation.

Apparently, they are still ironing out exactly how the whole transition from Tamworth to East Sale will go, so don't take my word as gospel given the state of flux, but that is what I was informed this morning.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 11:40
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Thanks for that info, 13Beast. It's a bit of a relief to hear that now. I attended an aircrew seminar tonight and even DFR did not really know what was going on.

The only tit-bit of info I received recently was in regards to helicopter pilot candidates. While Air Force training will be conducted at Air 5428 at RAAF Base East Sale (as mentioned by other posters), both Army and Navy helicopter candidates will be trained through the Air 9000 Phase 7 HATS (Helicopter Aircrew Training System) at HMAS Albatross using 15 newly purchased Airbus H135 helicopters to replace the Kiowas and Squirrels. HATS is aiming to train up to 130 helicopter pilots, AMWO's, aircrewmen and sensor operators per year.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 07:55
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Hey Everyone.

I had my assessment session for pilot last Thursday and was successful. I have received some info about the FSP changes.

Starting from 2018 FSP is no more and ASP is starting (Aviation Screening Program). this is 2 day course at East sale. As the RAAF is acquiring PC-21 trainers to replace their CT4B and PC-9 Trainers, these are high performance aircraft so they will not allow candidates to fly them. This is where the ASP comes in. It will be a computer and simulator based assessment and a tour of the base. I'm unsure if OSB will be in the same week.

Starting 2019 BFTS will be at East sale and all RAAF and RAN pilots students will conduct their training there. Start of 2020 is when RAA students will conduct their training at East Sale.

Hope that helps

JK
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 06:16
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Ahhh...East Sale, commonly known as Pleurisy Plains, just hope for a spring or autumn course, as winter is seriously cold, and in summer the flies from the cow paddocks nearby are infuriating.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 13:35
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Originally Posted by 13Beast View Post
Letters will be coming out to all those affected in the coming weeks, and will provide further updates on the situation.
Have you received one of these letters yet? My enlistment coordinator said I should have received one last week but I still haven't heard anything.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 00:42
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
Have you received one of these letters yet? My enlistment coordinator said I should have received one last week but I still haven't heard anything.
I haven't received any letters either, and I have to say, at least you have an enlistment coordinator who contacts you! I haven't heard boo from mine in months. Can't say I am all too happy with DFR at present, they seem to have gone well off the boil a bit. FYI, I am also in the mix for an Aero Eng role with the Army, and they were all hot to trot to put me through for the soonest upcoming board a while back in order to have me in by Jan next year and now...the silence is deafening :P Not that its a bad thing though, one positive is I get to see how my pilot's application pans out in the meanwhile.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 21:32
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Hey Guys, First time post here but have been following this forum for a little while. Seems like i'm in the same boat as most of you - currently waiting for progression to what was flight screening.. Thought I'd mention that I have received an email with a letter attached mid last week confirming what we already know. Flight Screening is now done and all current and future candidates will be moved to the new Aviation Screening Program at East Sale. Letter specifically states that you need to get in touch with your Enlistment Coordinator to confirm intention to move to the new program. Interestingly, it also says that candidates who have attended flight screening previously and were unsuccessful are eligible to attend the new screening program with no waiting period (unless specified by your OSB). Should be pretty busy when it all kicks off.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 05:13
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Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen View Post
Hey mate, how long ago did you recieve this email?
I got it sent to me last Monday morning. It's just a generic letter with a couple of pages of detail with a few FAQ's at the end.
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 01:56
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ADFA Flight Screening Candidates

Hi there guys , i was just wondering if anyone has received any invitations for the FSP sessions in November for ADFA candidates?
Also a general question are all FSP invitations sent out a month before the session or does it vary?
Cheers
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 12:10
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Air 5428 system detail

Originally Posted by avnx88 View Post
Interestingly, it also says that candidates who have attended flight screening previously and were unsuccessful are eligible to attend the new screening program with no waiting period (unless specified by your OSB). Should be pretty busy when it all kicks off.
Thanks avnx88,

How many attempts would we have at this ASP simulation before we are knocked back for good? I'm turning 20 next year, and realise this is still quite young for DEO application - (I was not recommended earlier this year at flight screening due to my "life experience" and flying scores.) Just wondering if it is worth it to apply again early, or if I should finish my engineering/science degree for 3 more years?

Also, it was raised a little while ago, but not addressed - does anyone know if there is a compulsory service period as part of the aviation selection under the new system - ie. if one was to be offered ATC, but not pilot after their initial training would they be able to decline the offer?
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 06:01
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Originally Posted by blakeyhawk View Post
Thanks avnx88,

How many attempts would we have at this ASP simulation before we are knocked back for good? I'm turning 20 next year, and realise this is still quite young for DEO application - (I was not recommended earlier this year at flight screening due to my "life experience" and flying scores.) Just wondering if it is worth it to apply again early, or if I should finish my engineering/science degree for 3 more years?

Also, it was raised a little while ago, but not addressed - does anyone know if there is a compulsory service period as part of the aviation selection under the new system - ie. if one was to be offered ATC, but not pilot after their initial training would they be able to decline the offer?
Perhaps the system will just stay the same with regards to being in the two year grace period prior to getting your wings/graduating, that you will be able to pull out at any time before graduation. You'd think they'd keep it that same way given how people will get streamed into entirely different careers from what they may have initially intended.

Then again, maybe they'll take a note from the Brits and the Yanks and once you're in, you're in...so help you God. Had an officer mate of mine in the USN, get accepted into pilot training. Was all good at low altitudes, until they went to the second tier of training which involved higher altitude flying. Turns out he had a severe inner ear issue; and had the instructor take the controls from him as he became so disoriented in the cockpit. Was immediately checked out by the doc, grounded permanently and reassigned to a general officer job elsewhere in the USN. Spent the next 6 years or so hating life until he could get out!
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 06:27
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Originally Posted by 13Beast View Post
Another update on FSP. Was on the phone this morning to BAE Systems, and apparently all DEO slots have now been filled for this year's remaining FSPs. All those remaining in the pool, me included, will likely be transferred to the new system as priority candidates, and should all expect a call-up to attend a flight screening course with the new system from next year. Letters will be coming out to all those affected in the coming weeks, and will provide further updates on the situation.

Apparently, they are still ironing out exactly how the whole transition from Tamworth to East Sale will go, so don't take my word as gospel given the state of flux, but that is what I was informed this morning.

Thanks for this info mate,
Did they happen to mention anything about ADFA slots?
And were they okay with you calling them? I'm thinking of giving them a call.
Cheers.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 23:25
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Flightscreening and OSB prep

Hey Guys,

I'm off to flight screening in less than a week. Just wondering if anyone has any last minute advice?
I've done a few hours of flying and have been studying ADF, aircraft, leadership etc.

Can anyone give me an insight to what the leadership activities were like and the speeches? Also, any tricky questions in the OSB and what type of maths questions I should expect?
I understand OSB questions can be tailored to you, but every little bit of information helps!

Thanks!
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 04:31
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Originally Posted by sab2304 View Post
Thanks for this info mate,
Did they happen to mention anything about ADFA slots?
And were they okay with you calling them? I'm thinking of giving them a call.
Cheers.
I've attempted to call them (I'm in the ADFA stream) and i received a curt response from a person working in the flight screening department. But in regards to ADFA slots there are still two more screening invite opportunities at the remainder of Oct and start of Nov (25th and 2nd respectively). My enlistment coordinator explained that if you receive no invitation by this time you will be included in next years new Aviation Screening Program.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 06:03
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Originally Posted by Isaiah98 View Post
I've attempted to call them (I'm in the ADFA stream) and i received a curt response from a person working in the flight screening department. But in regards to ADFA slots there are still two more screening invite opportunities at the remainder of Oct and start of Nov (25th and 2nd respectively). My enlistment coordinator explained that if you receive no invitation by this time you will be included in next years new Aviation Screening Program.
Thanks mate,
I just got off the phone with Tamworth and the guy who answered said that the last flight screening is no. 47 (25th Nov-9th Dec) and they are only thinking (its likely) about cancelling the 2-16th Dec. Hoping this is the case as I have exams during the other 2. Cheers.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 00:56
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Originally Posted by blakeyhawk View Post
Thanks avnx88,

How many attempts would we have at this ASP simulation before we are knocked back for good? I'm turning 20 next year, and realise this is still quite young for DEO application - (I was not recommended earlier this year at flight screening due to my "life experience" and flying scores.) Just wondering if it is worth it to apply again early, or if I should finish my engineering/science degree for 3 more years?

Also, it was raised a little while ago, but not addressed - does anyone know if there is a compulsory service period as part of the aviation selection under the new system - ie. if one was to be offered ATC, but not pilot after their initial training would they be able to decline the offer?
Hi blakeyhawk,

I don't know the exact answer to your question about attempts at ASP, as the information that I've read doesn't give any info on this. My guess is that it would be beneficial for you to pursue some life experience and more flying experience over a one to two year period before going back to sit it again. Being only twenty, you definitely have time on your side. Getting a degree under your belt should go a fair way to demonstrating aptitude and commitment but I would be looking for some volunteer / leadership opportunities also.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 11:26
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Hey everyone. Iím going to flight screening next month and Iíve just got a few queries/worries that anyone who has been to FSP could possibly answer. First of all, I have no flying experience, is this going to be an issue? On saying that, I have worked as an aircrew member in the RAAF for the past year. Also, is it true that youíre shown a room of model aircraft, some of which are older and not military, and asked to label them. Also, do they still asked mental maths questions during th interview part.
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