Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

RAAF Flight Screening Programme

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

RAAF Flight Screening Programme

Old 20th Nov 2017, 22:24
  #3361 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
Sab when was this?

A few people have said they are on december FSP?

Did they tell you when the offers will be distributed?

Can you elaborate on ASP?
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 01:48
  #3362 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
OK, well that seems fine.

But isnt that ADFA FSP? I am applying for DEO.

It's good for us that the last flight screening got cancelled. It means that there will be even less people in the pool.

@mled said that there were 50 people in the pool as of August but i have no idea how he/she would know that. Did anyone say anything about the number of people in the pool when you were on flight screening or Intake numbers??

The waiting is killing me...

Last edited by harrybass3; 21st Nov 2017 at 01:51. Reason: missing info
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 02:51
  #3363 (permalink)  
JN8
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Hey Harry,

I did FSP last month and was told pretty much the same things as sab2304 said. Nov/Dec FSP courses will be the last, and then it will all close up before restarting in March 2018 as ASP in East Sale. ASP will apparently involve one day of info sessions on various aviation careers and one day of simulator based testing. Then based on how well you go, you'll be invited back for an OSB on another day for a particular job.

Apparently, those who were recommended at FSP in 2017 will remain in the pool for one year as normal and then if you still haven't got an offer, you can do ASP. So 2017 FSPers are lucky in that they probably won't have to wait 3 years for a second chance!

I have heard that there will be intakes in Feb, March and April. Given that ASP only starts up in March, I'd say all those spots will come from those who did FSP in 2017. So, again, that is good for 2017 FSPers! I've heard that offers should start coming out in early December, but have no idea if all intakes will hear at the same time.

I know that the wait is hard, but hopefully we'll all know soon!
JN8 is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 10:57
  #3364 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Wollongong
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
OK, well that seems fine.

But isnt that ADFA FSP? I am applying for DEO.

It's good for us that the last flight screening got cancelled. It means that there will be even less people in the pool.

@mled said that there were 50 people in the pool as of August but i have no idea how he/she would know that. Did anyone say anything about the number of people in the pool when you were on flight screening or Intake numbers??

The waiting is killing me...
Hey mate, I had my FSP in June and got the same recommendation. I have been sent a letter talking about an attestation medical that I am to complete to be medically suitable. From what i've research this is the medical done on day of enlistment. Just wondering if you have received any kind of letter like this in the past week or so?
Also a guy I met at FSP got a call from the navy officer saying that they are sending his dossier off to nowra. So hopefully this is good signs for us! and if less people in the pool hopefully a Jan offer!!
lightning2Boy is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 12:09
  #3365 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 96
Clearing a few things up

@sab2304, If you were told FSP 47 is the last FSP of the year, then FSP 48 must have been cancelled. See this link for the current schedule: http://www.airforce.gov.au/docs/1701...e-2017-AL3.rtf

@harrybass3, paperwork I received recently states that, even if you have already successfully completed a FSP and have not yet been given an offer by the end of 2017, you will need to attend the new ASP in 2018.

Offers will probably not be distributed until all current candidates sit the new ASP, whether they have or haven't completed a FSP.

I know there were about 50 candidates currently waiting to go on the FSP as of August 2017. I do not know how many candidates are waiting to be given a job offer. You would also now need to factor in all those applying for ACO and JBAC roles.

As of 2018, all RAAF, Army and Navy pilot candidates (whether they have or have not completed the FSP) as well as JBAC, ACO and AMWO candidates will be tested via a new Computer Based Aptitude Testing System (CBATS) which will assess candidates on a range of aviation careers. You will no longer be assessed as a "pilot candidate" but rather an "aviation candidate".

For this reason, I'd expect the number of candidates for the ASP to be rather high. However, the 2-3 day ASP was designed to process candidates at a much higher rate than the current FSP which is ran over a 2 week period.

I know this might seem like a bit of a drag, but consider the following. The 2016 Defence White Paper states the following aircraft acquisitions to be made soon:
- 8 new P8 Poseidon aircraft
- 72 F35A aircraft
- 3 Chinhooks
- 15 new Airbus H135 training helicopters (for the new HATS program in Nowra)
- Then factor in the possibility of brand new airframes due issues with the Army's Taipans and Tigers

I think it is fair to say that ADF pilot recruitment will be enormous over the next few years.
hansfalkenhagen is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 21:25
  #3366 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
Executive Summary

Ok,

Let's summarise.


1. Pool size The pool size for people awaiting FSP was 50 as of August, we have no clue what the distribution pool size or can anyone assist. We do know it will be smaller than last year because of a few cancelled flight screening spots (not sure if different for ADFA or not?)

2. FSP is moving to ASP as of March. 2017 FSP candidates that received a recommendation will have to do ASP if they have not received an offer yet...

QUESTIONS
1. Will there be offers distributed from the current pool of candidates that completed FSP 2017 with a recommendation? If so, when?
2.how did @MLED know the numbers for the intakes as per the last post?
3. A mate who just finished OTS said that "he heard" OTS was full until June??? (doubt this)
4. Why would offers not be distributed until people sit ASP.surely they will send offers for jan, feb, march 2018 before the end of the year seems to be the concensus.
Also, what does DP-AF mean, that is where my application is at the moment for a february intake....

Last edited by harrybass3; 21st Nov 2017 at 22:00.
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:22
  #3367 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 41
Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
Ok,

4. Why would offers not be distributed until people sit ASP.surely they will send offers for jan, feb, march 2018 before the end of the year seems to be the concensus.
I think the consensus was that anyone who got an offer after a recommendation at FSP would be placed on an OTS course such that they ended up on the last however many BFTS courses at Tamworth next year.

Anyone getting an offer after the new ASP will be doing their BFTS in Sale on the PC-21 and what they assess on the ASP is supposed to reflect those changes to the training system. It seems unlikely that they would be waiting for the ASP to be up and running before sending out offers. Unless of course that's in the context of offers for DEO this year having already gone out. So it would make sense that no new offers would go out till people have actually completed the ASP.

That being said, patience is probably key here until more reliable sources of information pop up (which I am not ).
tayra is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 01:22
  #3368 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 10
All my information came from the mouth of an enlistment coordinator for one of the guys that I went to FSP with. According to them, they were told that offers for the next rounds of OTS should be coming out before the start of December.
MLed is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 02:14
  #3369 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 96
Also, harrybass3, when did you sit your assessment day? Chances are you will need to sit that again if it's coming up to 12 months. I think you mentioned doing the FSP in March?
hansfalkenhagen is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 05:35
  #3370 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
Sat my assessment day on the 27th of november. Funny that I am resitting my medical on the 27th.

I think another assessment day would not be too much of an issue.

I recall smashing my assessment day.

I just hope they dont make me resit additional testing although a mate of mine didnt have to resit it before he got in.
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 05:54
  #3371 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
Sorry correction.

I sat my assessment day in August 2016.

My enlistment coordinator emailed me asking for me to come in for a medical only, on the 27th of November this year. Her email said this is so I am "good to go should I receive an offer". I think the medicals expire but not the interview.

Also, emailed FSP and they said "DF-AF are finalising their final selection for DEO pilot, and we should have some indication by early December" (word for word the email)

If the file is at DP-AF is that a good sign?
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 08:47
  #3372 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Australia
Posts: 96
I can't really speculate on whether something is a good sign or not. However, here's to hoping you get an offer by the end of the year, so good luck.

If not, by the sounds of it you should do well at the ASP regardless.

To my knowledge the additional testing lasts three years. Assessment day medicals and the dental check last 12 months. Even if you are given an offer you will still need to resit these medicals if you reach the expiry.
hansfalkenhagen is offline  
Old 5th Dec 2017, 03:30
  #3373 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 10
I take it nobody has heard anything yet?
MLed is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2017, 01:46
  #3374 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
Zilch mate.

I had a chat with my enlistment coordinator. No offers, to her knowledge and she assures me she would know, have been made this side of July.

I have medicals to refresh but other than that its the waiting game. @MLED how did you know about the intake numbers btw?

I keep getting told different things regarding intake size, BFTS is backcoursed, an official document addressing the pilot shortage in the RAAF said intakes will go up to 165 per yeah.

Who knows....???
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2017, 02:21
  #3375 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 10
Thatís the same as my enlistment coordinator has said too.

Thatís what I was told by two of the guys that I went to FSP with and they were told by their enlistment coordinators. Iím with you though that there is tons of contradicting information.
MLed is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2017, 08:02
  #3376 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: AAAvn
Posts: 36
To give a bit of clarity

BFTS is closing up shop. The instructors are moving to Sale to convert to the PC21 and thus the courses are being stripped away from BFTS in 2018. The first Army BFTS course next year is in September, until then it is RAAF/RAN courses mainly consisting of ADFA with a few DEO courses.

HATS is opening at Nowra - the same "train the trainer" issue has seen a limited pipeline for Army pilots to go through and this has reduced the intakes.

So what: If you are in the pool it is facetious to think that the lack of candidates going into the pool means you've got an amazing chance - the courses are thinning out next year as BFTS reduces capacity.

To answer a few questions - the course intakes are panelled months in advance. It is fairly common for Army to be recruiting 6-12 months out, and everyone that went to RAAF from my intake got offers on 3-9 months notice. This gives rise to the "OTS is full" idea.

DEO Army - This links in with the "enormous pilot intake" fallacy. Army is currently having issues with the restructuring of its training pipeline. There is a skill shortfall at the QFI level meaning there is a backlog of pilots awaiting conversion. The recent RMC grad had approx 10 pilots. The next class coming through now only has 3 pilots. The so what is that Army is restructuring the training timeline and therefore there is less intake. Eventually all RMC cadets will have the option to test for Pilot as opposed to entering the College on a cadetship.

Medicals - attestation medical is completed on the day of appointment and is relatively cursory to check for any final changes. Your actual medical only lasts 12 months much like it is in service.

I am about to go on Chrissy leave so if anyone has any questions post here and I'll do my best to answer them.

Best,
flyingsoon
FlyingSoon is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2017, 10:43
  #3377 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Sydney
Posts: 3
Rules of ASP

FlyingSoon, or anyone else for that matter, would you have any idea about the rules of the new ASP regarding waiting time between failed attempts and number of possible attempts?

At BFTS you could only attempt the flying component of the program twice in your life, and you had to wait 3 years between each attempt. If you were not recommended based on your OSB or other personal factors, they would usually give you 12 months between attempts, or another amount of time up to their discretion.

Trying to decide when to go for ASP, as I was not recommended in Feb 2017 due to my flying scores as well as my 'age and life experience'.
blakeyhawk is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2017, 19:54
  #3378 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: AAAvn
Posts: 36
In your specific case I would hold off until you can demonstrate you meet their other criteria first. Unfortunately being in service now I am well removed from the ASP side of things and speculation won't help.
FlyingSoon is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2017, 20:55
  #3379 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Sydney
Posts: 32
@flyingsoon

What are your thoughts for Raaf intake?

I was told by my enlistment coordinator that intake spots have not neen filled. This was then confirmed by flight screening that DP-AF had not finalised the ots intake.

When we speak of intakes i am referring to getting a letter of offer from RAAF/RAN.

Its hard because we keep hearing conflicting things.

I would imagine that seeing as the pilot intake on 2019 will be around 165 that 2018 would be generous to RAAF as they say in official documents they need more pilots.

Ideally, i hope they send offers for OTS soon and then we can just wait for the new OTS.

My mate got an offer for July in June. 4-6 weeks is what i heard in terms of notice period.
harrybass3 is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2017, 01:53
  #3380 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: AAAvn
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
I was told by my enlistment coordinator that intake spots have not neen filled. This was then confirmed by flight screening that DP-AF had not finalised the ots intake.
I'd go off that. The only problem is courses are being thinned out next year as staff move down to Sale and get QFI on the PC21 which is why courses are being thinned next year.

Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
Its hard because we keep hearing conflicting things.
This is part of the game, and it is going to be a frequent feature of your career, especially whilst in a training environment

Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
I would imagine that seeing as the pilot intake on 2019 will be around 165 that 2018 would be generous to RAAF as they say in official documents they need more pilots.
As above, I would not be too hopeful for a large intake next year given the movement to Sale. Once this has completed I imagine it would pick back up. Keep in mind the new screening is going to qualify a larger amount of pers for the job so it will only become more competitive.

Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
Ideally, i hope they send offers for OTS soon and then we can just wait for the new OTS.

My mate got an offer for July in June. 4-6 weeks is what i heard in terms of notice period.
Courses are usually booked a while in advance but numbers change which is where you get the late notices from. Notice varies. The best thing to do is keep regular contact with your EC and ensure you ask specific questions about the next course dates, if they have been panelled yet and if the offers are out.
FlyingSoon is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.