JPA and their appalling administrating
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Time To Bring Back Paybooks?
Hello HeliAviator. I've just picked up on this thread, mind you being in front of the game was never my strongest point; I went Group 2 and METS after Linton and still have memories struggling with a Wetdream....
I've been in civvy street since 1989 but one thing I remember is having an RAF paybook issued to me. I even used it on occasion at RAF Stanley where cashpoints and banks were a bit thin on the ground!
It seems like it's time to re-introduce pay parades if you as me....
I hope that in addition to the back-pay you get a suitably apology in writing from a senior exec. That would be worth passing on to the press to really rub their noses in the dirt....
Cheers. Madbob.
I've been in civvy street since 1989 but one thing I remember is having an RAF paybook issued to me. I even used it on occasion at RAF Stanley where cashpoints and banks were a bit thin on the ground!
It seems like it's time to re-introduce pay parades if you as me....
I hope that in addition to the back-pay you get a suitably apology in writing from a senior exec. That would be worth passing on to the press to really rub their noses in the dirt....
Cheers. Madbob.
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Chaps if you are banging your head against the JPA wall and getting nowhere, now that I have tested the system and achieved a win, I am putting together an information pack with details of how to take small claims action. It includes; what you should do before taking action to ensure a win, the rough time scale a small claims court action takes, who to address the claim to, copies of the information leaflets available on the subject of small claims court procedure, plus other useful information of how to get the system to buck-up and take you seriously. Should you wish to have this information please PM me and I'll get back to you.
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HeliAv,
**** man - respect !!!
PS: That is you so screwed on Mon, but please keep up on both the good work against JPA(rse) and the sitreps on the thread. I cannot remember the last time I had such a good read
I was lucky, it only took 3 months to sort out my pay.
**** man - respect !!!
PS: That is you so screwed on Mon, but please keep up on both the good work against JPA(rse) and the sitreps on the thread. I cannot remember the last time I had such a good read
I was lucky, it only took 3 months to sort out my pay.
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Having just read post #65, forget Monday, I reckon you are screwed by about last orders tonight, unless your local mafia try and staff it through said IT system
Do you have a white headband ready for Mon by any chance (don't forget to get all your mates to sign it before you go into action) ??
But as I said - respect and good for you...
C130JB
Having just read post #65, forget Monday, I reckon you are screwed by about last orders tonight, unless your local mafia try and staff it through said IT system
Do you have a white headband ready for Mon by any chance (don't forget to get all your mates to sign it before you go into action) ??
But as I said - respect and good for you...
C130JB
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I think you will find that any retaliatory action could be interpreted as harassment under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 s.2. Summarily triable, Penalty: Level 5 (£5,000) and/or 6 months.
Plus kevlar sheets at the ready and I'm well past my pension point.
HA
I think you will find that any retaliatory action could be interpreted as harassment under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 s.2. Summarily triable, Penalty: Level 5 (£5,000) and/or 6 months.
Plus kevlar sheets at the ready and I'm well past my pension point.
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late arrival to this thread - although not directly related one might find it interesting that, 5 months after I left the mob, they were still sending pay statements for net pay of £0 to my old unit! The DS solution was for me to phone them and ask to be taken off the books - obviously the mountain of other paperwork I had already filled out did not achieve this! I only hope that whichever brain cell was used up mis-administrating me was not the one that failed to pay someone else? Good luck one and all........
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Heliaviator,
Have you considered posting your guide or a link to it on websites such as arrse, rumration and e-goat? the more people who know about it the better.
If they don't pay my terminal grant in Feb...
Great work.
Have you considered posting your guide or a link to it on websites such as arrse, rumration and e-goat? the more people who know about it the better.
If they don't pay my terminal grant in Feb...
Great work.
Congratulations Heliaviator on your success, and as has already been said how depressing that it should come to this. Your comment earlier was well made:
From someone who served in the 60s/70s, leaving in 73, this situation seems more applicable to some third world nation rather than this (and yes I realise that they may well be called one and the same now). From this and similar threads there emerges an RAF that has little administrative resemblance to the one of three decades ago. This was the bread and butter of subordinate commanders. Money, Mail, Meals was the mantra. Woe betide any boss who dragged his heels if any one of them required attending to. It seems to me that until the Powers of a Subordinate Commander are reinstated to what they used to be the problems such as housing, messing, pay etc will not be resolved, with the effects implicit in the quote above. Anyone remember the Flight Safety film "Frustration"? It culminated in a Javelin ditching, after a series of jobsworths ensure that the crew end up unfit for purpose. The point of course was that Flight Safety concerns all, including JPA. But Flight Safety would appear to be yet another casualty of the many initiatives taken by the beancounters! Time to return to the old and trusted values and throw out the quangos which are strangling the very formations they were supposed to serve!
Perhaps the flight safety and human factors chaps at Bentley Priory may wish to join the fray? 
HA - what an absolute joke that you had to go to court to get a judgement on this. I won't say reolution as they have not paid up yet but it will be interesting to see what happens if they don't.
One thought as this must be in the public domain now have you approached your MP to have this raised in the HoP - a court judgement against them should not be so easily fobbed off by the chinless wonders.
I wil echo other responses here - how the hell is this not being looked at by the FS people; this is a potential disaster lurking around the corner as any piece of the chain could break if the poor guy/gal is worried about money (or lack of it).
Come you Air Staffs get your noses out of the next bottom up the ladder and DO something because to an outsider JPA certainly don't seem fit for purpose
One thought as this must be in the public domain now have you approached your MP to have this raised in the HoP - a court judgement against them should not be so easily fobbed off by the chinless wonders.
I wil echo other responses here - how the hell is this not being looked at by the FS people; this is a potential disaster lurking around the corner as any piece of the chain could break if the poor guy/gal is worried about money (or lack of it).
Come you Air Staffs get your noses out of the next bottom up the ladder and DO something because to an outsider JPA certainly don't seem fit for purpose
Heli
Well done, and mucho respecto for having the drive and courage to see it through to the end. I hope that there aren't any repercussions for you.
JG
Well done, and mucho respecto for having the drive and courage to see it through to the end. I hope that there aren't any repercussions for you.
JG
Well done, HeliAviator!
I wonder how quick the Press will be to pick up on this?
"Heroes have take MoD to court to get their pay"
Followed by some utterance by an anonymous MoD spookperson that "This was an isolated incident and the MoD is very satisfied with the performance of JPA"...
I see the pay fiasco is already in the news:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle720418.ece
I wonder how quick the Press will be to pick up on this?
"Heroes have take MoD to court to get their pay"
Followed by some utterance by an anonymous MoD spookperson that "This was an isolated incident and the MoD is very satisfied with the performance of JPA"...
I see the pay fiasco is already in the news:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle720418.ece
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I am somewhat concerned by the
. I for one was underpaid by over £1000 per month for at least 3 months!! I know of at least 1 SNCO who hasn't been paid. What does a SNCO get per month? A lot more than £384!!!
up to £384 per month
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Heli, out of professional interest, before you went to the Small Claims Court, had you;
Used the SPVA's Complaints procedure, or
Formally Redressed the situation.
I ask so that we may all know what actions you took to help you gain this judgement.
And now having gained it how do you intend to enforce it?
Used the SPVA's Complaints procedure, or
Formally Redressed the situation.
I ask so that we may all know what actions you took to help you gain this judgement.
And now having gained it how do you intend to enforce it?
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When did we start having to pay for the privelidge of getting f***ed around by computer systems and losing our personal data? My December pay statement, -£60??? Its says I have basic pay arrears but I know I've not been overpayed! Recieved an email from my unit though, saying it will be sorted, so its all ok then!
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HA
Well done - something to cheer about wrt JPA debacle - even if it is for the wrong reasons
adminblunty
A note of caution, my pension lump sum finally came through over 45 days late. I'm in the midst of correspondence with SPVA to resolve the question of the extra interest I paid on the mortgage as a result. If there is not a positive response, my next step will be down the path cut by HA.
One positive thing is that Paymaster (the guys who take care of actually paying the pension) once informed by SPVA were on the ball and got their act together and paid up pronto.
S206
Well done - something to cheer about wrt JPA debacle - even if it is for the wrong reasons
adminblunty
A note of caution, my pension lump sum finally came through over 45 days late. I'm in the midst of correspondence with SPVA to resolve the question of the extra interest I paid on the mortgage as a result. If there is not a positive response, my next step will be down the path cut by HA.
One positive thing is that Paymaster (the guys who take care of actually paying the pension) once informed by SPVA were on the ball and got their act together and paid up pronto.
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Hmm. I'm expecting my lump sum within the next few days (ie within 10 working days of my last day of service). How optimistic am I?! Never mind, my veterans medal (?!) arrived in the post today.