JPA and their appalling administrating
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Sempre, charge them interest at the full amount (of your lump sum), at commercial rates of interest. It is none of their business what you intended to do with the money.
Under the old system, that worked, I received my lump sum on the last day of service.
The precedent is there and it costs peanuts to take them to the small claims court.
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Nige
BTW you can get 6.9% in a BS at the mo.
Under the old system, that worked, I received my lump sum on the last day of service.
The precedent is there and it costs peanuts to take them to the small claims court.
Regards,
Nige
BTW you can get 6.9% in a BS at the mo.
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As an aside, does anyone have a steer towards a site which might detail current gratuities? Details of a monthly pension are easy to find, but not the gratuity.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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Gratuities are shown on the Pensions Calculator on the MOD website
http://http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/Personnel/Pensions/ArmedForcesPensions/PensionsCalc/
I got my gratuity on the 21st Jan after leaving on the 13th - not bad I thought.
HPT
http://http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/Personnel/Pensions/ArmedForcesPensions/PensionsCalc/
I got my gratuity on the 21st Jan after leaving on the 13th - not bad I thought.
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I know that it causes a lot of grief, and I don't wish to trivialise things. But the copy which compares JPA to Alexander the Great caused a snorted chaff like cloud of croissant to flutter down onto my puta.
<<The army of Alexander the Great, as it swept across the known world toppling kingdoms and collecting tribute, took its pay clerks and administrators with it. In a back office behind the luxurious tents of the leader and his generals, it's a fair bet there was a scribe bent over an abacus and a clay tablet, making sure the soldiers got their pay, and the spoils of war were shared out fairly.
Soldiers still use tents on operations, and they still need to know that their pay is being administered properly. They also have to worry about lots of things that Alexander’s men didn’t dream of: National Insurance, pension contributions and separation allowance.
Until now, personnel administration for the average British serviceman or woman has largely been a matter of throwing papers in through the pay office door, and running - hoping that the bundle of dog-eared accounts, smudged receipts and requests for advances of pay makes sense to the poor clerk, and that at some point in the future bank accounts will be credited with a sum not too far different from what is owed. It’s a good system for those who are admin-phobic, but it’s no way to run an army (navy, or air force).
"JPA represents a significant culture change. But if we can embrace that change, there will be lots of opportunities for improvements to the way we do business. When I first joined the RAF I was shown the serried rows of clerks filling in forms, and was told by my boss that all these people would be replaced by computers by the time I achieved his rank. He was a little ahead of his time!".
Air Marshal David Pocock
Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Personnel)>>
Oh David, are you happy with the way that 'business' is being done? Look on the bright side though. Just think of all those serried rows of clerks you can add to your kingdom, processing legal claims.
Link:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/JpaGoesliveForRafPersonnel.htm
<<The army of Alexander the Great, as it swept across the known world toppling kingdoms and collecting tribute, took its pay clerks and administrators with it. In a back office behind the luxurious tents of the leader and his generals, it's a fair bet there was a scribe bent over an abacus and a clay tablet, making sure the soldiers got their pay, and the spoils of war were shared out fairly.
Soldiers still use tents on operations, and they still need to know that their pay is being administered properly. They also have to worry about lots of things that Alexander’s men didn’t dream of: National Insurance, pension contributions and separation allowance.
Until now, personnel administration for the average British serviceman or woman has largely been a matter of throwing papers in through the pay office door, and running - hoping that the bundle of dog-eared accounts, smudged receipts and requests for advances of pay makes sense to the poor clerk, and that at some point in the future bank accounts will be credited with a sum not too far different from what is owed. It’s a good system for those who are admin-phobic, but it’s no way to run an army (navy, or air force).
"JPA represents a significant culture change. But if we can embrace that change, there will be lots of opportunities for improvements to the way we do business. When I first joined the RAF I was shown the serried rows of clerks filling in forms, and was told by my boss that all these people would be replaced by computers by the time I achieved his rank. He was a little ahead of his time!".
Air Marshal David Pocock
Deputy Chief of Defence Staff (Personnel)>>
Oh David, are you happy with the way that 'business' is being done? Look on the bright side though. Just think of all those serried rows of clerks you can add to your kingdom, processing legal claims.
Link:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/JpaGoesliveForRafPersonnel.htm
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You have a puta under the table whilst having your breakfast croissant and using a computer?
Respect......
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putaf vulg whore; casa de ~s brothel fig, everyone for himself,to each his own; ir de ~s to go whoring; hijo de ~ son of a bitch; pasarlas ~s to go through hell
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Future News Scoops
"Following the successful court summons by "HA" against the JPA administration, bailiffs this morning removed 25 pcs from the JPA offices."
Following day: "Pay and personal details of all navy, army and air force personnel for sale on ebay. It seems the 25 pcs recently removed from the JPA offices were found on a skip behind the county court with the hard drives removed. MOD deny all responsibility"
Wonder headline: "Owing to the government's faith in JPA, it has arranged for MPs pay and allowances to be managed by this failsafe system. In addition, EDS has also agreed to include their board members' and senior managers' administration on this world-beating wonder".
Pray that our pensions are never taken on board by JPA.
Following day: "Pay and personal details of all navy, army and air force personnel for sale on ebay. It seems the 25 pcs recently removed from the JPA offices were found on a skip behind the county court with the hard drives removed. MOD deny all responsibility"
Wonder headline: "Owing to the government's faith in JPA, it has arranged for MPs pay and allowances to be managed by this failsafe system. In addition, EDS has also agreed to include their board members' and senior managers' administration on this world-beating wonder".
Pray that our pensions are never taken on board by JPA.
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JPAC (SPVA bunch) about to take me to Court for recovery of an overpayment of allowances made to me prior to discharge - they wrote to me for recovery of the public debt almost 12 months after I had left but I have ignored their letters. Do they have the ba££s to go to the courts. Dunno, will see
Nice one Heliaviator
Nice one Heliaviator
Just beating the air into submission!
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Hi chaps, thanks for the support. The process is still moving forward and I am at least getting a lions share of the salary owed this month, less the interest and court fee. This sum is still a sticking point on their side of the as they do not know how to account for this money and get the required authorization and pay it.
The problem on my pay account still exists as the computer still says "no" and is on going.
I still have some patience left, but I expect to apply for an enforcement order on Monday if the issue is not resolved by COP Friday. The court will then apply for a seizure warrant and competent bailiffs instructed to take the necessary action.
Wait out.
HA
The problem on my pay account still exists as the computer still says "no" and is on going.
I still have some patience left, but I expect to apply for an enforcement order on Monday if the issue is not resolved by COP Friday. The court will then apply for a seizure warrant and competent bailiffs instructed to take the necessary action.
Wait out.
HA
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Good to see someone kicking the system up it's a
e. They have to realise that these pay and allowance cock-ups have a knock on effect on people's lives.
e. They have to realise that these pay and allowance cock-ups have a knock on effect on people's lives.
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Armed Forces Pay
Well done HeliAviator. I admire your patience. At least in civvy street if you don't get paid you can walk....I left the air farce in 1989 and by the sound of these posts have nothing to regret.
Just a thought though, I wonder what would happen if JPA was responsible for MP's pay and allowances?
Keep up the good work.
Madbob.
BTW does anyone know which agency does have responsibility for MP's pay?
Just a thought though, I wonder what would happen if JPA was responsible for MP's pay and allowances?
Keep up the good work.
Madbob.
BTW does anyone know which agency does have responsibility for MP's pay?
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BTW does anyone know which agency does have responsibility for MP's pay?
A spokesman for the MoD admitted that money was still owed to the pilot and that it would be paid in the next few days. He added: "The MoD apologises for this isolated incident caused by an administrative error."
Isolated incident?
Isolated incident?
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Please please please, affected servicemen, ignore the ineffective complaints procedure and go straight for the small claims court. Do us all a favour and debunk the straight lie that this is an "isolated incident".