Nimrod families angry at OBE
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A most deserved OBE
Let us not be surprised or dismayed by the standard of this latest news item from the tabloid press, and irrespective of the comments from Mr Knight, I still wonder if others have been misquoted in the same appalling fashion as Shona?
In the meantime, I have to say that anybody who genuinely thinks Wg Cdr Martin Cannard doesn’t deserve some form of recognition for the outstanding leadership, compassion and integrity he has displayed as OC 120 Sqn, are either totally ignorant of the facts, or choosing to selectively overlook them. Irrespective of the terrible tragedy that has unfolded, he has lead the day to day running of a front line Sqn in a manner that very few of his peers could have equalled. Everyone involved over this period has had to deal with extremely complicated, demanding and sensitive issues, non-more so than he and on an almost daily basis; this award in part reflects that.
As said previously, I have stopped being surprised or dismayed at media conjecture, misquotes, half-truths and total lies. However, I would be saddened greatly if this latest piece of journalistic license meant the feelings of the vast majority are overlooked. Everyone I have spoken to about this subject believes the outstanding guidance and support Martin Cannard provided should be recognised formally. I also have to say that in all my years in the Service, this is without doubt an award that has the greatest of merit. Therefore, I for one want to warmly congratulate him
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In the meantime, I have to say that anybody who genuinely thinks Wg Cdr Martin Cannard doesn’t deserve some form of recognition for the outstanding leadership, compassion and integrity he has displayed as OC 120 Sqn, are either totally ignorant of the facts, or choosing to selectively overlook them. Irrespective of the terrible tragedy that has unfolded, he has lead the day to day running of a front line Sqn in a manner that very few of his peers could have equalled. Everyone involved over this period has had to deal with extremely complicated, demanding and sensitive issues, non-more so than he and on an almost daily basis; this award in part reflects that.
As said previously, I have stopped being surprised or dismayed at media conjecture, misquotes, half-truths and total lies. However, I would be saddened greatly if this latest piece of journalistic license meant the feelings of the vast majority are overlooked. Everyone I have spoken to about this subject believes the outstanding guidance and support Martin Cannard provided should be recognised formally. I also have to say that in all my years in the Service, this is without doubt an award that has the greatest of merit. Therefore, I for one want to warmly congratulate him
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Martin,
Well done and well deserved.
Best Regards
PM.
To everyone else, a finer Officer and gentleman you could not find. An example to all. Somebody has to be in charge and this Officer has done everything right. Lay off.
Well done and well deserved.
Best Regards
PM.
To everyone else, a finer Officer and gentleman you could not find. An example to all. Somebody has to be in charge and this Officer has done everything right. Lay off.
Martin, I had the pleasure of working alongside you at STC and PJHQ - well done mate and I hope you enjoy your visit to "Auntie Bettys".
MOA - I concur...
Tapper's Dad - you, sir, are a complete arse!
MOA - I concur...
it is a sad day as it looks like your quest for the truth has degenerated into solely ‘someone to blame’.
Mother of Flt Lt Steven Swarbrick welcomes OBE award.
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Perhaps the author Ben Schofield, or icLiverpool's editor could also work a little harder with his proof reading. The caption attached to Wg Cdr Cannard's photograh reads
"Wing Commander Martin Cannard died when his reconnaissance plane crashed in Afghanistan"
In seriousness however, All credit to Mrs Swarbrick for seeing through the BS and appreciating the true meaning of the award. Restores faith in humanity to some degree! Unfortunately, regarding Tappers Dad, I am in full agreement with Leon Jabachjabicz.
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"Wing Commander Martin Cannard died when his reconnaissance plane crashed in Afghanistan"
In seriousness however, All credit to Mrs Swarbrick for seeing through the BS and appreciating the true meaning of the award. Restores faith in humanity to some degree! Unfortunately, regarding Tappers Dad, I am in full agreement with Leon Jabachjabicz.
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TD,
I have agreed with many of your arguments regarding Nimrod safety but I strongly disagree with the recents comments made about Martin Cannard.
Although the timing could have been better, Martin's OBE award is fully justified and I have not spoken to a single person at ISK who has said otherwise.
I understand that comes only weeks after the BoI report release, and just after Christmas, which must be a very difficult time for you and your family, but this does not make the award any less justified.
Mr P
I have agreed with many of your arguments regarding Nimrod safety but I strongly disagree with the recents comments made about Martin Cannard.
Although the timing could have been better, Martin's OBE award is fully justified and I have not spoken to a single person at ISK who has said otherwise.
I understand that comes only weeks after the BoI report release, and just after Christmas, which must be a very difficult time for you and your family, but this does not make the award any less justified.
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In 1879, twelve VC's were awarded after the action at Rorke's Drift, not purely "For Valour", but to mask the screw up by the British Army at Isandhlwana the day before. Nothing has changed, whether it be Isandhlwana, the Charge of the Little Brigade or the loss of an aircraft, the War Office/MoD have the ability to convert tragedy into glory.
I do not know Martin Cannard, but I suspect that he held the squadron together, like any other good OC, because he was there. With regards to being ".. specifically recognised for his work with the families for supporting them and providing help and welfare", then that is for the families to react to, and comment on. No one else knows the manner in which they have been supported the past 14 months, and by whom.
Peolpe like Graham, Shona and other family members have given their honest reaction and opinion to the OBE award, and have done so as themselve, in public. They have not resorted to nasty comments from behind a pprune mask.
Please let us put this issue to rest and allow the families to focus their efforts on the future inquest without having to be subjected to the sort of comments that have been posted on this thread.
To Graham and Shona, I say, pprune is not "the world". It is one of many forums, which simply reflects the views of a very, very small minority of peolpe. Many of whom are afraid to come out of the shadows, unlike you.
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I do not know Martin Cannard, but I suspect that he held the squadron together, like any other good OC, because he was there. With regards to being ".. specifically recognised for his work with the families for supporting them and providing help and welfare", then that is for the families to react to, and comment on. No one else knows the manner in which they have been supported the past 14 months, and by whom.
Peolpe like Graham, Shona and other family members have given their honest reaction and opinion to the OBE award, and have done so as themselve, in public. They have not resorted to nasty comments from behind a pprune mask.
Please let us put this issue to rest and allow the families to focus their efforts on the future inquest without having to be subjected to the sort of comments that have been posted on this thread.
To Graham and Shona, I say, pprune is not "the world". It is one of many forums, which simply reflects the views of a very, very small minority of peolpe. Many of whom are afraid to come out of the shadows, unlike you.
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I havent been on here for awhile but do read ,hear and see articles in the papers and am again shocked and horrified at Td's comments.
I remember Martin Cannard coming to see my daughter when (deleted ) was killed and found him to be very sincere in sharing our loss.
Not something i'd expect Graham to remember.
Dont want to say too much but Graham isnt happy unless hes in the media eye for one reason or another and i think everyone should take a leaf out of our book and ignore him.
We all know how the guys would feel right now so lets not waste any time and congratulate Martin and all the VO's,all all the guys at Kinloss for the kind messages of sympathy and all the help and support we recieved.
Good on ya I say Martin...well done to you Sir.
I remember Martin Cannard coming to see my daughter when (deleted ) was killed and found him to be very sincere in sharing our loss.
Not something i'd expect Graham to remember.
Dont want to say too much but Graham isnt happy unless hes in the media eye for one reason or another and i think everyone should take a leaf out of our book and ignore him.
We all know how the guys would feel right now so lets not waste any time and congratulate Martin and all the VO's,all all the guys at Kinloss for the kind messages of sympathy and all the help and support we recieved.
Good on ya I say Martin...well done to you Sir.
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Tappers Dad
My dear chap, your comments have not helped your cause, I have every sympathy for your loss but you have now shown a terrible sense of occasion and very poor judgement - I support the safety case enquiry but not your personal crusade to attack the chain of command who are doing their best with what they have available. You, as a person have lost my support.
Shame on YOU, I believe that your son would be equally disappointed in your public and personal attack of a very fine officer.
Shame on YOU, I believe that your son would be equally disappointed in your public and personal attack of a very fine officer.
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DV
No, but in this particular case there are a very high proportion of contributors who know the subject of this thread very well indeed. He is everything that has already been written ..........and more!
I'm not going to kick TD when he's down; he, and all the relatives, have suffered enough.
However, he should be well aware by now, that by attacking Wg Cdr Cannard in such a vitriolic manner, he made a serious error of judgement. One which, as others have said, has destroyed a large reservoir of goodwill that he built up since the tragedy.
Again, as others have pointed out, it's fine to shoot arrows, but you need to be aiming much much higher. The seeds of this tragedy were sown long ago. Think politics, think money.
DV, I wish you, TD, Shona, jan, LabQueen and all other friends and relatives a very happy and peaceful 2008.
I'd also like to add my own congratulations to Wg Cdr Martin Cannard OBE.
Can we put an end to this thread now?
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I'm not going to kick TD when he's down; he, and all the relatives, have suffered enough.
However, he should be well aware by now, that by attacking Wg Cdr Cannard in such a vitriolic manner, he made a serious error of judgement. One which, as others have said, has destroyed a large reservoir of goodwill that he built up since the tragedy.
Again, as others have pointed out, it's fine to shoot arrows, but you need to be aiming much much higher. The seeds of this tragedy were sown long ago. Think politics, think money.
DV, I wish you, TD, Shona, jan, LabQueen and all other friends and relatives a very happy and peaceful 2008.
I'd also like to add my own congratulations to Wg Cdr Martin Cannard OBE.
Can we put an end to this thread now?
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TheSmiter said:
All of that seconded!
As TheSmiter says, there are more important and deserving targets for the arrows.
DV, I wish you, TD, Shona, jan, LabQueen and all other friends and relatives a very happy and peaceful 2008.
I'd also like to add my own congratulations to Wg Cdr Martin Cannard OBE.
Can we put an end to this thread now?
I'd also like to add my own congratulations to Wg Cdr Martin Cannard OBE.
Can we put an end to this thread now?
As TheSmiter says, there are more important and deserving targets for the arrows.
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Further to my last; my wife has recently spoken to Adele, who was shocked and disappointed that the DR managed to get her telephone number and called her at lunchtime on New Year's Day. She was not tearful and, like Shona, is understandably upset that her comments were taken out of context by the reporter. As she has no PPRuNe nom de plume, she has asked that I respond on her behalf. See now hopes that the Press will let her get on with her life.
Let's hope that they do: however, I suspect not.
Let's hope that they do: however, I suspect not.
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OK, I'll say something.
How about - Lets ALL put this episode behind us, ALL take a few lessons on board and push on TOGETHER to, hopefully, reveal the truth and gain a better future. For ALL. I think the lads on the Nimrod might have wanted that.
PS; Sir,
How about - Lets ALL put this episode behind us, ALL take a few lessons on board and push on TOGETHER to, hopefully, reveal the truth and gain a better future. For ALL. I think the lads on the Nimrod might have wanted that.
PS; Sir,
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A worthy award for an outstanding officer. I cannot thank him enough for the way he publicly stood up for us groundcrew involved during what was, and still is, a very difficult period. Wg Cdr Cannard OBE. You have earned our respect. Well done Sir.
RIP CXX/3
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RIP CXX/3
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OC CXX,
Having trained with you at Finningley and seen (albeit from a distance) your exemplary conduct during this tragic matter may I have the honour of offering you my congratulations on your award and my sincere thanks for your upstanding example as not only an officer of Her Majesty's Royal Air Force but also as a man.
Mal Drop (RAF Retd.)
Having trained with you at Finningley and seen (albeit from a distance) your exemplary conduct during this tragic matter may I have the honour of offering you my congratulations on your award and my sincere thanks for your upstanding example as not only an officer of Her Majesty's Royal Air Force but also as a man.
Mal Drop (RAF Retd.)
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DV,
You were keen enough (and rightly so) to keep the Nimrod Info thread going.
Why not let the members of this forum continue to express their best wishes for someone the hold in high regard in the same manner?
As is oft said, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it.
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You were keen enough (and rightly so) to keep the Nimrod Info thread going.
Why not let the members of this forum continue to express their best wishes for someone the hold in high regard in the same manner?
As is oft said, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it.
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DV ..
Just as folks have attacked percieved injustices in other threads .. Chinook, Nimrod, Hercules for example, .. and supported those who try to correct those injustices, then the another injustice - the attempted denigration of this award - will also be attacked.
Now I know nothing of this man, other than what I have read, but it appears he is well thought of and the award is highly supported by those that do know him.
To suggest that the thread is ended simply because you disagree is both impertinent and dishonest. Apply that standard across the board and no thread would last a day, especially the important threads were genuine differences of opinion are aired.
Just as folks have attacked percieved injustices in other threads .. Chinook, Nimrod, Hercules for example, .. and supported those who try to correct those injustices, then the another injustice - the attempted denigration of this award - will also be attacked.
Now I know nothing of this man, other than what I have read, but it appears he is well thought of and the award is highly supported by those that do know him.
To suggest that the thread is ended simply because you disagree is both impertinent and dishonest. Apply that standard across the board and no thread would last a day, especially the important threads were genuine differences of opinion are aired.
